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this radiates for the masses at my

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anniversary your life is making forever

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the Army Air Forces has announced that a

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flying type is found and is now in the

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possession of the army the game is

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rigged change extreme games I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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Church on the game changer radio network

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we need your help to the year 1985

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your nickname chief thank you glad with

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hola

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fade to black it's Monday good to be

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back in the chair the spoke radio for

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yeah man today's Monday July 17th 197

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days into the new year just 168 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in downtown Burbank California I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States either until they're 2 and Pro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjt are the

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game changer network in kg are a though

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fall and it I'm a host Jimmy Church what

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is cracking everybody how you doing man

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check this out

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I was just talking to Rita and the Pater

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knots in the bunker cam right before the

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show about this over the next two weeks

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and we do this a lot but over the next

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two weeks we have nothing but first-time

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guests on this show and I want you to

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think about that for a second all right

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you start a podcast you want to do this

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you have a little radio thing you're

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here on a network somewhere on blog talk

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radio and I get that you want to go do

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your thing

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all right you go do it and you go down

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and you and you you know and you want a

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book as him you want to do this and do a

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little of that and I get that right

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totally cool

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and you go down the list and you're like

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picking off the list of names and you

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know people that you wanted to interview

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and and you've read the books you've

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seen them on TV and yeah that would be

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cool that would be cool that would be

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cool and fine right

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well we've done 700 shows here 700 and

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when you get to that kind of number and

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use and throw in the other stuff that

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I've done and that we've done the list

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of names is extraordinary and and I go

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down that list and I look most of them

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not all of them but I would say the vast

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majority of what we do here are

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somebody that you maybe have never heard

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from before right and and that it when

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when it came to me listening to

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late-night overnight a conspiracy talk

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radio I mean there's those guests that

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you'd want to hear from and it's fine

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it's cool but it's those gems those

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little nuggets that come along like I've

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person before oh this is cool right I

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wonder what you know and that's what we

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so here we go tonight Mark Dantonio is

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here and although mark has been a friend

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on mark in just a bit but that's you

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know that's tomorrow night or tonight

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tomorrow night Rob Potter is here now

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again somebody that's been out there for

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here and somebody else that Reid and I

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and and we have him Monday of next week

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of Egypt in Egyptology and what's going

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we have discovered and and what we

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didn't discover we discover ourselves we

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discover for ourselves a head went and

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found chased him down and I cannot wait

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for Monday show and then Tuesday and

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in the week and a very very very special

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series of show so over the next two

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this show every single day and having

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this kind of fun with all of you so just

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buckle up and get ready all right Mark

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Dantonio tonight tomorrow night Rob

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Potter Wednesday brian gunther and of

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right now very cool I saw the Ace

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Frehley - man what's going on with that

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you guys always send me those messages

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right alright any questions or comments

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Jimmy educated radio calm today I need

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permission from the people that send

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some of these images got two really cool

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very very cool now I'm going to go and

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do some analysis hey Mark Dantonio is on

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the show tonight send them to mark and

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have him take a look at this he is the

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calm alright let's get the show crack

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Dantonio as quickly as I can

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happy birthday to today Donald

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Sutherland is 82 yeah Donald Sutherland

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ah I Body Snatchers that's it yeah

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everything else is great I get that I

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beige into the body snatchers on this

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day in history OTD 1996 flight 800

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by the Navy but there were a lot of

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witnesses on the shore that said that

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they saw streaks of light going up and

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striking the plane a large number of

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people including former White House

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this day in 1996 faded fact okay here's

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a fader fact for you know every day you

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know we we hand you these gifts these

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little gems called fader facts and there

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we hand them to you you use them for

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what you will okay but here is a real

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name of Samuel German and was not named

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after the country of Germany yeah there

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you go now you're armed and dangerous

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now that is a fact that is a fact you

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think about that tonight very special

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first-time guests on the show mark P

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Antonio is here UFO photo analyst

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researcher CGI Pro and astronomer head

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analyst for MUFON tonight right here on

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joins us oh man and with Rob I have no

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it's just going to be one of those

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nights tomorrow night right here I'm

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fade to black Rob Potter he's got his

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own radio show he's out there doing his

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time but tomorrow night I get to turn it

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right around on Rob and he's going to be

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here on fade to black

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Wednesday night Bernard Gunther is here

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three nights three first time guests

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with Jon Rappoport and there's no more

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fake newsroom live followed by open

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lines tonight maybe we'll take some

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phone calls three two three eighty five

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will see that's right okay today

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everybody is seven seventeen seventeen

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think about that seven seventeen

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seventeen it's not going to happen again

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numbers go you know I'm not a

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neurologist numerologist I'm not but

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that's got to have some weight behind it

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seven seventeen seventeen and it looks

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pretty good to the eye when you just

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look at it seven seventeen seventeen

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ten ten ten but here we are seven

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looking pretty good to the eye tonight

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someone that I have looked up to and

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years I have um out of all these years -

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which is strange I guess we can talk to

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mark about this tonight but I think I've

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only hung out with them once and you

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drinking I think that only happened one

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had over the years and although we have

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often disagreed on a number of issues

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and in our respect mark he's usually

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right okay and he has caused me many

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times to question my own judgment so I

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want you to think about that as you

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listen to mark and I talk tonight

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because we respect each other but I

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think we also respect each others

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opinions thoughts evidence testimony

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eyewitness stuff because we've both been

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through it right

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and certainly mark being the

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professional that he is not only with

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with move on and his the analysis he

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does on of photographs and videos but

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his professional life would he actually

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does is he worked in the special effects

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industry of course that's the name of

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his company but he builds models for

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four different things they could shot he

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does CGI animation illustration of all

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of that on a professional level for

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commercials and movies so he's got the

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professional credentials to back up when

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he says to me Jimmy it looks like this

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for Jimmy it looks like that I have to

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stop and listen

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tomorrow and then we argue about it but

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but that's the fun part

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okay I I I want to say this marks

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appearance on the show tonight made me

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go back into the clouded brain that I

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have and seek out some of my favorite

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photos and cases from the past some of

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these he was involved with some not but

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also he has an opinion on these two as

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well and so do I some of it I've stated

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on this show but I just wanted to go

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back for memory sake for you tonight and

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review some of these because we may talk

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about them later and the first thing

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that came to mind is Billy Mayer and as

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I started to think about Billy Mayer

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today there was a few I mean it's weird

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I don't know if it's a a knocking little

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cavity or some kind of quantum thing but

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it started to pop up in Twitter I was

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like wow that's kind of weird because

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I'm writing about it I'm thinking about

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I'm looking up stuff now and looking at

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past shows and and what I had said about

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certain things Billy Meyer pops up and

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Twitter as I'm typing his name and it's

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a significant case it's a significant

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case of a hoax

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now Billy Mayer it completely and its

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totality from the beginning to this very

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day okay just a complete fabricated hoax

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now if you are a proponent if you are a

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believer in Billy Meyer fine that's

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that's that everything is individual

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everything in this pursuit of knowledge

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and and how you go down that path in

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life it's so up to the individual okay

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so I respect you for that

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but it's a hoax plain and simply and

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there may have been elements maybe one

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to Billy Myers life or maybe he saw

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something strange in the sky

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and then he then decided to go down that

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path I don't know but his photographic

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evidence that he put forward caught me

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by surprise in 1984 and he is largely

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responsible partly responsible for where

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I am today I've got to give Billy Meyer

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credit for that I found out later that

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it was all a hoax but at the time it

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caused my curiosity to expand and try to

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figure out what was what was really

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going on out there in 1984 I was with

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Dale Romero everybody knows Dale from

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this show and we were kids we were very

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young that was 30 35 years ago and I was

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at Dale's brother's house we're down in

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Orange County El Toro and he had a billy

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meier coffee table book there that big

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thing with that famous shot on the cover

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and full-color big big big book big book

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and I'd stopped me in my tracks and I

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flipped through it and I was looking at

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these pictures I was like this is

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incredible

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they're real oh my god you know and I

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read a little bit about Billy Meyer but

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I don't talk to Dale's brother about it

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and then I got back to Pasadena and I

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just went Full Tilt Billy Meyer

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collecting everything that I could and

371
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by the end of the 80s I was completely

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deflated about Billy Meyer okay so as it

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flowed into the 90s and the Internet and

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the other things that started to come

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out about Billy Meyer you know for me it

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was just case closed but make no mistake

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here if you believe in Billy that's fine

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I did it one time and it forced me into

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this life so I want to thank Billy for

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that now the monstrosity of the hoax and

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how far he took it and what he was

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willing to do since then boggles the

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mind I don't

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so if it was money if it was celebrity

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if it was Fame if it was women I don't

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know I don't but the pictures the video

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the the tapes the film the stories

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everything was fabricated so there you

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go and that's one example of photographs

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and imaging and research and analysis

391
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:38,880
that can bring down a case that's what

392
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Mark Dantonio does so we may talk about

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billy meier and then we have something

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like the Rex Heflin photographs wrap

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excellent photographs were Polaroids

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unlike billy meier which was all film

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both photographs and video and but Rex

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Heflin was a guy that just appeared out

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of nowhere he was a worker in Orange

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County

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oddly enough down in the same area where

402
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I discovered Billy Meyer in Orange

403
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County Tustin so Rex Heflin was a worker

404
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for the county pulls over to the side of

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the road sees something he's in his work

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truck and he's got a Polaroid camera

407
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there that he used for his job and it's

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on the front seat of the pickup truck

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and he sees this disc and he shoots the

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disc like five or six times you know

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through the windows on the truck and

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that drives down the road and then takes

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the famous picture of the circle ring of

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smoke up and up in the clouds were

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allegedly the craft had you know took

416
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off well anyway the Rex Heflin

417
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photographs are different than the Billy

418
00:21:58,629 --> 00:21:54,380
Meyers photographs Billy Meyers

419
00:22:02,659 --> 00:21:58,639
was staged the Rex Heflin stuff was done

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with with a Polaroid camera taken from a

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car on the side of the road Dow could

422
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:10,289
Rex have thrown some kind of it was been

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supposed it over the years like it was a

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tree a wheel from a train well how much

425
00:22:20,629 --> 00:22:18,690
is that way I have no idea but but

426
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:20,639
different ideas on how this was done but

427
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it look

428
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to me like it was thrown out over the

429
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field if it was but I think the Rex

430
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:29,580
Heflin photographs are real I think it

431
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was a real object and I know that the

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and ruffle who has got the photographs

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of this day who lives not too far from

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00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:41,340
us she's in possession of those

435
00:22:46,550 --> 00:22:44,130
photographs and has invited me over to

436
00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:46,560
look at them and to hold them and I will

437
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:50,190
do that soon but I think the Rex Heflin

438
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:51,900
stuff is real the men in black showed up

439
00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:53,610
at his house took photographs they

440
00:23:00,590 --> 00:22:55,350
disappeared for a decade than they were

441
00:23:02,540 --> 00:23:00,600
returned later but what does mark think

442
00:23:04,340 --> 00:23:02,550
about those when he looks at that kind

443
00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:04,350
of analysis and how do you approach that

444
00:23:12,410 --> 00:23:08,270
and then we have the story of the

445
00:23:15,010 --> 00:23:12,420
dragonfly drones a lot of analysis has

446
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:15,020
been done on the dragonfly drones and

447
00:23:22,940 --> 00:23:19,020
mark over the years did some serious

448
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:22,950
serious analysis of this with rendering

449
00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:26,100
and and and CGI and how the stuff was

450
00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:28,440
was created or could be created and

451
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:32,460
again I disagreed there with Mark's

452
00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:34,530
conclusions and I have my own reasons

453
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:38,550
for that and with the dragonfly drones

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00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:40,620
which were photographed allegedly at

455
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:43,710
different areas - not specifically here

456
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:47,820
in California but were again allegedly

457
00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:51,110
shot on film

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00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:53,640
therefore how could it be

459
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CGI I don't know or was it some kind of

460
00:24:00,680 --> 00:23:59,160
elaborate model that was built and

461
00:24:04,030 --> 00:24:00,690
somehow suspended in the air then

462
00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:04,040
photographed I don't know I don't know

463
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,590
Mark's analysis which I have read many

464
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:09,600
many times over the years I just

465
00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:13,620
completely disagree with but I'm not the

466
00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:16,380
professional here I'm only depending on

467
00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:19,470
my eye and the other part for the

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00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:21,990
dragonfly drones for me if it was a hoax

469
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,110
in a very elaborate one at that is

470
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:27,360
carrot comes into play from Palo Alto

471
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and how does carrot play into this and

472
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:33,360
the symbolism

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and the symbols and the software the

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00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:37,170
alleged software that was painted on the

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outside of the craft how all of this

476
00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:44,130
comes into play I think it it it

477
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overlaps very well together and I'm

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confused and I think the story is very

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00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:52,500
elaborate and when it comes to black and

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white stories like this that are that

481
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complete I am in love right so that's

482
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:02,130
that's that's me and then we have the

483
00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:06,450
case of the Phoenix lights again the

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analysis is there the the eyewitness

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testimony is there the videotape is

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there right and and how would he

487
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:16,860
conclude one way or another based on

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that now and then then there is and I

489
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:23,010
forgot about this believe it or not the

490
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:26,310
most recent case well actually I've sent

491
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:29,610
mark some pictures of ESET II but I

492
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:30,900
don't know if I have time to get around

493
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:32,010
to that tonight that's not what the

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shows about

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but contact in the desert that's right

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with our with our siding last year and I

497
00:25:46,150 --> 00:25:42,930
was Mark reminded me of this today we

498
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,160
laughed about it cuz I completely forgot

499
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:49,260
was his critical analysis about what was

500
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,850
going on and I have to Al ask him what

501
00:25:58,670 --> 00:25:56,880
my response was but I think I think I

502
00:26:02,600 --> 00:25:58,680
kind of fired back at him a little bit

503
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:02,610
and in some you know there you go

504
00:26:07,670 --> 00:26:04,980
what is it that he sees how does he get

505
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:07,680
to it well that's that's what's so

506
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:08,760
exciting about tonight

507
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:11,370
I want you to know that he is somebody

508
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:13,890
that I respect somebody that I really

509
00:26:18,860 --> 00:26:16,380
like as a friend I think he's very funny

510
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:18,870
very genuine he's an astronomer he's got

511
00:26:25,790 --> 00:26:22,650
a he's got an observatory he does his

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00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:25,800
his online night watch night viewing

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00:26:30,970 --> 00:26:28,440
stuff he's got a great view Tube channel

514
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:30,980
he's a professional he's well respected

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even by me but we can butt heads and

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00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:38,460
that's what I love about this community

517
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:40,530
and I keep saying it over and over again

518
00:26:45,650 --> 00:26:43,290
if you can't come in here and talk if

519
00:26:46,770 --> 00:26:45,660
you can't come here and just let your

520
00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:46,780
stuff hang

521
00:26:52,740 --> 00:26:48,790
and we listen to everybody don't have to

522
00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:52,750
agree you just have to listen and that's

523
00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:55,270
what the two of us have always done so

524
00:27:00,840 --> 00:26:57,340
kick back get ready tonight

525
00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:00,850
it's Mark Dantonio MUFON photo analyst

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00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:05,560
CGI Pro seriously oh and maybe just

527
00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:07,660
maybe we're going to talk about one of

528
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:10,840
our great heroes tonight that is I guess

529
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:12,250
we'll call him a partner of his

530
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:14,110
something that he works with Douglas

531
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:16,930
Trumbull that's right Doug Trumbull 2001

532
00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:19,210
a Space Odyssey Close Encounters of the

533
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,140
Third Kind the special effects genius in

534
00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:25,840
Hollywood is somebody that Mark works

535
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:28,950
with Who am I to question Mark Dantonio

536
00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:34,240
right well maybe I'm your signature

537
00:27:38,250 --> 00:27:35,550
Smith is fade to black

538
00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:38,260
tonight Mark Dantonio you just sit right

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00:27:57,740 --> 00:27:39,190
there I'll be right back

540
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[Music]

541
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you're listening to Jimmy Church fade to

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Thank You Blackmun that wall for a

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hi this is rob reiner from amal and

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you're listening to jimmy huge radio

606
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calm what's up what up in a calm and

607
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we're listening the same each church

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radio

609
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all right welcome back fade to black

610
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:34,280
I'm your host Amy Church it is Monday

611
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over the next two weeks six first-time

612
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guests on fade to black how cool is that

613
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:47,299
kicking it off tonight Marc Dantonio he

614
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,330
has a degree in astronomy and is the

615
00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:52,880
mutual UFO network MUFON chief photo

616
00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:56,030
video analyst he is CEO of effects

617
00:31:59,440 --> 00:31:57,710
models a model making and special

618
00:32:01,570 --> 00:31:59,450
effects company specializing in digital

619
00:32:04,299 --> 00:32:01,580
physical models and organic special

620
00:32:05,950 --> 00:32:04,309
effects in the film industry he has an

621
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:05,960
extensive work history in the film and

622
00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:08,330
television arena appearing regularly on

623
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:09,830
a number of networks his efforts

624
00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:14,210
creating UFO 2g to a remote UFO

625
00:32:18,430 --> 00:32:16,280
detection system with Academy Award

626
00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:18,440
winner the one and only douglas trumbull

627
00:32:22,299 --> 00:32:21,080
promises to bring ufology into the 21st

628
00:32:24,850 --> 00:32:22,309
century we're going to talk about that

629
00:32:28,570 --> 00:32:24,860
tonight he has appeared on CNN discovery

630
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:28,580
sci-fi history Nash not geo and science

631
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:30,350
channels he also creates visual effects

632
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:33,110
props direct visual effects shots and

633
00:32:38,289 --> 00:32:35,690
create CGI for productions appears

634
00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:38,299
regularly on NASA's unexplained files in

635
00:32:43,210 --> 00:32:40,340
the series what on earth seeking answers

636
00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:43,220
to perplexing earth mysteries brought to

637
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:46,220
us via Earth orbiting satellites mark

638
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:48,530
operates the John Zack Memorial

639
00:32:53,289 --> 00:32:50,809
Observatory in Connecticut in support of

640
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:53,299
the quest for extraterrestrial life he

641
00:32:59,409 --> 00:32:56,090
originated and operates the sky tour

642
00:33:02,140 --> 00:32:59,419
livestream from the observatory it is

643
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:02,150
being ready to fully automated online

644
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:03,950
use and will be moved to Arizona the

645
00:33:09,010 --> 00:33:07,130
near future under a fully dark sky where

646
00:33:12,370 --> 00:33:09,020
all automation systems are installed

647
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tested and completed its website is FX

648
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models.com and i would like to welcome

649
00:33:19,270 --> 00:33:16,309
for the first time to fade to black the

650
00:33:22,180 --> 00:33:19,280
one and only Mark Dantonio mark bulk of

651
00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:22,190
my friend Wow that was a heck of an

652
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:24,230
introduction thanks Jimmy and nice to be

653
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:27,710
here it's a great night yeah you know it

654
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:30,169
is a great night and doomy here does he

655
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:32,150
know I got stars and something I know I

656
00:33:36,370 --> 00:33:34,370
know I know I know I watch your stuff

657
00:33:39,779 --> 00:33:36,380
all the time on your YouTube channel and

658
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:39,789
I'm fully jealous I mean you know I

659
00:33:44,879 --> 00:33:42,070
haven't gotten a telescope yet if you

660
00:33:46,379 --> 00:33:44,889
can believe that or not but you know one

661
00:33:49,139 --> 00:33:46,389
day I'll be able to see some of the

662
00:33:49,379 --> 00:33:49,149
stuff that you just you just go and do

663
00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:49,389
it

664
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:51,220
whenever you want and that that is so

665
00:33:53,399 --> 00:33:53,049
cool we'll get to that in a second

666
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:53,409
though

667
00:33:58,979 --> 00:33:55,450
sure first I've got to do the first-time

668
00:34:01,499 --> 00:33:58,989
guests disclaimer are you ready go for

669
00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:01,509
it it's just you and I sitting on my

670
00:34:05,849 --> 00:34:03,940
couch talking as friends where we start

671
00:34:06,869 --> 00:34:05,859
we start where we end we end what we're

672
00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:06,879
going to end as friends

673
00:34:13,789 --> 00:34:08,849
there's the disclaimer you ready to go

674
00:34:19,470 --> 00:34:17,180
okay this is you you and I you and I

675
00:34:21,569 --> 00:34:19,480
agree on something disagreed on some

676
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:21,579
things and I'm okay with that it happy

677
00:34:25,619 --> 00:34:24,190
to be that way yeah in the end like no

678
00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:25,629
to mine see you like I mean not that

679
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:27,669
that's what makes us learn that's what

680
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:29,290
makes us change the way we look at

681
00:34:32,309 --> 00:34:29,649
things

682
00:34:33,569 --> 00:34:32,319
no well you stretch me my mind I stretch

683
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,579
your mind and we kind of meet in the

684
00:34:38,909 --> 00:34:35,919
middle somewhere yeah that and that's

685
00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:38,919
how it should be and and I enjoy that

686
00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:42,220
too as well but the real truth is you're

687
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:45,669
the plum right I'm just a radio guy so

688
00:34:50,539 --> 00:34:48,250
Who am I to butt heads with you but

689
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:50,549
nothing like us we have our religious

690
00:34:54,659 --> 00:34:52,510
Jimmy you were the guy that saw

691
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:54,669
something for instance and I was just

692
00:35:00,059 --> 00:34:58,210
looking at the video so I could be pro

693
00:35:01,289 --> 00:35:00,069
all I want you know and I could sit

694
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,299
around and strut with my brothers and

695
00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:03,280
say hey I'm a pro like guess what and

696
00:35:10,829 --> 00:35:06,040
Yin you're the guy that saw it me and so

697
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:10,839
what right me and 400 other people so in

698
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:13,750
the end when I saw you know for instance

699
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,250
if I see something on video but doesn't

700
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:17,920
purport to do what you said it does all

701
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:19,510
I can say is you might have seen

702
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:21,490
everything you said but the video

703
00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:23,410
doesn't show it and that's all I do and

704
00:35:26,309 --> 00:35:24,549
then I don't I don't try to say you

705
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:26,319
didn't see what you saw I try to say

706
00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:27,910
that video didn't show what you said you

707
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:32,220
saw and it's he and here's the thing you

708
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:36,010
people have over the years you have

709
00:35:41,490 --> 00:35:38,770
earned that respect okay and so when you

710
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,500
speak people listen but what comes with

711
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:44,640
that mark is a whole truckload of

712
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:47,410
responsibility so not how do you deal

713
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:48,160
with that

714
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:53,650
you know I I have to watch what I say

715
00:35:59,890 --> 00:35:57,610
okay but I I can't not say something

716
00:36:03,310 --> 00:35:59,900
because it might hurt someone's feeling

717
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:03,320
or because someone might get offended or

718
00:36:08,170 --> 00:36:05,690
whatever I don't say things that would

719
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:08,180
you know make people feel like you know

720
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:11,510
I'm doing anything bad socially I would

721
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,260
never do that

722
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,760
guys don't him into my mind all those

723
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:16,400
things I'm in my mind to say so you know

724
00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:20,240
that said if I see something that I

725
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:23,420
understand it's a sky anomaly let's say

726
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:25,720
it was a rocket launch for instance okay

727
00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:28,910
I'll endure the slings and arrows okay

728
00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:31,160
to say what I think it is and if I

729
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:32,660
really strongly believe it's what it is

730
00:36:37,390 --> 00:36:35,930
then I will say okay the facts will come

731
00:36:39,340 --> 00:36:37,400
out in a couple days probably but for

732
00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:39,350
now I'm sticking to my guns I'm not

733
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:42,140
changing my position this was a failed

734
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:44,810
rocket launch for instance right well

735
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,680
well like with contact in the desert and

736
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:50,480
which I had forgotten about our dialogue

737
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:53,890
on that until you borrowed on the USS

738
00:37:00,720 --> 00:36:58,010
Nevada me do you know here that analysis

739
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:00,730
jumped out there and you you jump in and

740
00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:04,310
and you say you know it wasn't this it

741
00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:06,020
was a satellite I think is what you said

742
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:09,590
and and the rest everybody out there

743
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:11,570
reads that and goes okay

744
00:37:17,230 --> 00:37:15,110
Church is a dufus because March is said

745
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:17,240
but it you know and that's that's the

746
00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:20,510
power of you right and yeah and you know

747
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:22,460
what things are different these days I

748
00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:24,650
mean yeah I know that was just like no

749
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:27,230
year ago or so but Jim either you're

750
00:37:31,810 --> 00:37:29,510
right okay when I saw that I saw the

751
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:31,820
video the video showed me something that

752
00:37:34,540 --> 00:37:33,530
look like satellites and for the people

753
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:34,550
that don't know what I'm talking about

754
00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:36,440
you're talking about those taking video

755
00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:38,990
that you sent that you took on a night

756
00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:42,590
vision system which by the way after I

757
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:43,880
saw that video you know what I did I

758
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:45,890
went out and I bought one of those night

759
00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:48,050
vision systems right because I wasn't

760
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:49,750
going to be talking out of my rear end

761
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:52,970
about the capabilities of that that

762
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,890
night vision system if I didn't have on

763
00:37:59,410 --> 00:37:57,200
myself and had been working with it so I

764
00:38:02,200 --> 00:37:59,420
bought one immediately okay so that I

765
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:02,210
could actually go and make sure that

766
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:03,890
what I was seeing was what I thought was

767
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:04,670
part of

768
00:38:11,859 --> 00:38:08,450
the unity on and so forth so on so then

769
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,869
it was so I mean for me I mean the unit

770
00:38:15,849 --> 00:38:13,760
acted as I suspected it would and that

771
00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:15,859
was good so it's in my closet I use it

772
00:38:20,259 --> 00:38:18,740
from time to time I take it out and you

773
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:20,269
know you're the one that turned me on to

774
00:38:24,370 --> 00:38:22,910
the qualities of that is a possibly you

775
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:24,380
know good night vision instrument you

776
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:28,010
know right um and so in an example of

777
00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:31,130
where you saw something that the video

778
00:38:34,359 --> 00:38:32,660
didn't agree with what you saw in my

779
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:34,369
view because what you saw was something

780
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,250
far different from what the video shows

781
00:38:43,059 --> 00:38:38,480
in my viewing it's the way you're

782
00:38:45,309 --> 00:38:43,069
describing it and then I have a union

783
00:38:47,319 --> 00:38:45,319
now actually tested and confirmed that

784
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:47,329
the unit acts just like it appears to

785
00:38:53,259 --> 00:38:51,680
act in the video so now we of course we

786
00:38:56,259 --> 00:38:53,269
we part as friends with that and we

787
00:38:59,319 --> 00:38:56,269
agreed that to disagree on and what it

788
00:39:01,120 --> 00:38:59,329
may be I am actually not saying what you

789
00:39:03,549 --> 00:39:01,130
know that it is this guaranteed I'm

790
00:39:07,089 --> 00:39:03,559
saying it has all the hallmarks and

791
00:39:10,539 --> 00:39:07,099
characteristics of this no satellites

792
00:39:11,769 --> 00:39:10,549
say right um and you know you saw

793
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:11,779
something different you saw a different

794
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:13,250
activity you saw something that wasn't

795
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:15,710
on the video if I saw the thing just

796
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,569
come to a stop and then start moving

797
00:39:21,970 --> 00:39:20,000
again well you know what I mean that's

798
00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:21,980
that's a game-changer well it is it is

799
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,190
but the element there were two videos

800
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:28,160
that you saw one was without night

801
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:31,190
vision and that was with a documentary

802
00:39:35,950 --> 00:39:33,710
film crew that was just regular shot

803
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:35,960
that was in black and what it looks like

804
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:37,210
it's black and white because you're

805
00:39:42,970 --> 00:39:40,910
shooting the sky and so there's that and

806
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:42,980
then the other one was a night vision

807
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:44,450
version of it but if you were standing

808
00:39:49,809 --> 00:39:47,839
next to me there what you would have

809
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:49,819
seen is this thing when it started off

810
00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:52,910
on the ground okay so it's going across

811
00:39:58,509 --> 00:39:56,750
the desert floor up above you know along

812
00:40:01,900 --> 00:39:58,519
the foothills of the mountains about a

813
00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:01,910
mile away from us and slowly ascended

814
00:40:08,170 --> 00:40:04,430
and turned up up up up and then went

815
00:40:10,359 --> 00:40:08,180
into the sky it took five minutes for

816
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:10,369
this thing to complete itself and when

817
00:40:16,839 --> 00:40:13,910
it was done it was just a little it was

818
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:16,849
tinier than a pinprick of starlight in

819
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:18,300
the sky that's when I stopped

820
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:20,670
turn to the lactose so you see that

821
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:23,220
sound that sounds like a really that's

822
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:25,650
an exotic site you're just really crazy

823
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,070
it was me it was their manager I want to

824
00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:32,640
see this too you know right bunk I don't

825
00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:34,470
want the bug people I meet and say wow

826
00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:36,150
that really is so cool

827
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,580
but that's like you know I just got

828
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:40,680
these videos I don't get to see the real

829
00:40:46,090 --> 00:40:43,710
thing sometime you know now before we

830
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:46,100
move on let me ask you this because you

831
00:40:53,060 --> 00:40:49,800
you are the manager of this observatory

832
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:53,070
you operate it and I've got this nice

833
00:40:55,610 --> 00:40:54,810
telescope and you're always looking up

834
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:55,620
in the sky

835
00:41:00,680 --> 00:40:57,210
have you seen anything from the

836
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:00,690
observatory that is tripped yet well I'm

837
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:02,310
you know it's funny you know we talked

838
00:41:05,570 --> 00:41:04,140
about you know we have a sky full of

839
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:05,580
satellites we have a sky full of stuff

840
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:08,310
okay you know we look through the

841
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:10,170
atmosphere at this at the stars and we

842
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:12,450
want to look at something it's actually

843
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,750
not uncommon and I've had this happen a

844
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:17,280
number of times caught it on video in

845
00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:20,130
fact in the observatory where while I'm

846
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,870
looking suddenly a meteor goes through

847
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:23,940
pew right in that tiny little field of

848
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:26,820
view why would a meteor how what a

849
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:28,350
chance is right where I have to say you

850
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:29,880
say wow seems like it's actually

851
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:31,830
infrequent that it would actually do

852
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:36,440
that but the fact is we're being hit by

853
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:40,850
millions of tons a year of meteoric dust

854
00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:43,170
so it stands to reason that you might

855
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:45,150
actually catch one in a telescope with a

856
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:47,250
special camera that can detect very very

857
00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:49,290
low light things they're probably coming

858
00:41:51,590 --> 00:41:49,950
in all the time

859
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,600
and it's probably rare that you won't

860
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:53,640
see them you know for instance and

861
00:41:58,270 --> 00:41:56,370
satellite similarly we have tens of

862
00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:58,280
thousands of satellites in orbit right

863
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:02,040
so we expect at some point or another

864
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:03,530
while we're looking through a telescope

865
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:05,490
that we're going to actually see

866
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:07,770
something go streaking tubes and I do

867
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,710
and I have you know and I've been doing

868
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:12,240
the sky store when all of us at all look

869
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:13,800
at that did you see that people say oh

870
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:15,960
that was cool we're looking at the moon

871
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:17,160
and something went right in front of

872
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:19,380
moon you know but at one point and I

873
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:21,630
know my friends at P encase a space

874
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:23,310
imaging in k-space imaging Paul and Kate

875
00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:26,370
Ponte okay they've had many things they

876
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:28,320
do the moon and the planets and they do

877
00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:30,150
they have many things cross in front of

878
00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:31,660
the moon and I always they always talk

879
00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:33,880
me work back and forth of each other and

880
00:42:39,780 --> 00:42:37,660
it's kind of cool to watch them catch

881
00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:39,790
something on the lunar stream that

882
00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:41,080
they're doing because they're not doing

883
00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:42,280
it to catch something a little machine

884
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,020
like a suddenly crossing in front of the

885
00:42:49,070 --> 00:42:47,200
moon but they do anyway and they catch

886
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,080
it and because it's stored there's a

887
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:51,280
screen because it's stored on YouTube

888
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:53,020
you can always go back and look at it

889
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:55,330
and we've done that many times and slow

890
00:43:00,330 --> 00:42:58,090
them down frame by frame trying to check

891
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:00,340
it out see what it is and it was only

892
00:43:05,070 --> 00:43:02,770
just theory Jim it's only theory we only

893
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:05,080
think we know we're looking at based on

894
00:43:09,210 --> 00:43:07,000
what we know is up there but the

895
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:09,220
question is what about all the stuff we

896
00:43:12,540 --> 00:43:11,650
don't know is up there even our own you

897
00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:12,550
know we have things in our own

898
00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:14,680
interrupter that we that obviously we

899
00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:17,320
don't know about you know the general

900
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:19,480
public doesn't know about and maybe

901
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:20,860
there's something up there that belongs

902
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:23,260
to another civilization - for all we

903
00:43:27,690 --> 00:43:25,510
know you know that's watching us from a

904
00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:27,700
distance and if that was if I was an

905
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:31,480
alien civilization I'd probably set up

906
00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:32,830
on the far side of the Moon and I'd have

907
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:35,260
a little staging point there and take

908
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:36,640
off and go to the earth and hide in the

909
00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:38,140
oceans because no one can find me there

910
00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:39,820
no one goes in the oceans not to the

911
00:43:43,860 --> 00:43:41,320
places that no these things could go

912
00:43:47,010 --> 00:43:43,870
right so you know I mean I see a whole

913
00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:47,020
methodology here for how I would act if

914
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:49,020
I want to take a surreptitious

915
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:52,990
clandestine surveillance mission on a

916
00:43:59,100 --> 00:43:55,390
society that is known to be belligerent

917
00:44:02,280 --> 00:43:59,110
with strangers basically right right

918
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:02,290
well what about have you ever seen a

919
00:44:08,730 --> 00:44:07,150
satellite change directions no John I

920
00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:08,740
have never seen that and when people

921
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:10,060
tell me that they've seen one that does

922
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:13,510
that I go oh it's like I want that come

923
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:14,110
on

924
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:15,850
all right let me take me then with you

925
00:44:19,890 --> 00:44:17,230
next time I want to see that you know I

926
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:19,900
mean I want to see that happen you know

927
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:21,850
I don't want to hide it I want to yell

928
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:23,650
into the world I want to show them the

929
00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:25,450
video and I want to actually prove that

930
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:27,070
they're here that's what I'm all about

931
00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:28,570
that's what Doug's all about Doug

932
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:30,700
Trumbull life you're trying to do this

933
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:32,890
this UFO detection system and this is

934
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:35,950
this is not child's play to do this

935
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:38,650
stuff you know there's there's got to be

936
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:40,900
a lot of considerations because there

937
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,850
you got to win over the media the media

938
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,040
put the tinfoil hat on your head

939
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:48,160
you say UFO you might as well turn into

940
00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:51,850
a you know a guy that just talks like

941
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:55,720
this Oh y'all saw me a UFO right right

942
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:57,700
the media treats you like an idiot gives

943
00:45:01,710 --> 00:44:59,290
you a tinfoil hat and say hey let's put

944
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:01,720
them on the funny comedic relief and

945
00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:03,550
they're in a news class come on after

946
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:06,040
the after the accident scene you know

947
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:09,000
that kind of thing well um what about

948
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:13,210
the amount of give me an idea give the

949
00:45:19,830 --> 00:45:17,200
audience an idea of how many photos come

950
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,840
through your hands in a month for a move

951
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:22,240
on for your analysis what's a typical

952
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:25,750
month on typical month I'll see anywhere

953
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:30,250
between 10 and 110 you know photos

954
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:32,770
and/or videos that people send me from

955
00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:36,520
all over the world and I give them I do

956
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:38,200
give it my best shot to analyze as many

957
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:40,180
as I can you know I do have a little bit

958
00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:41,770
of a backlog so it does take me some

959
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:44,440
time sometimes but you have to

960
00:45:50,670 --> 00:45:46,930
understand and then you do actually part

961
00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:50,680
off this part of it 99% of all the

962
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:54,760
things I see 99.9 okay are ordinary

963
00:46:00,420 --> 00:45:56,920
objects captured in an extraordinary

964
00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:00,430
manner and that's that phrase is very

965
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,470
important or ordinary object captured in

966
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:05,280
an extraordinary manner and when I see a

967
00:46:11,370 --> 00:46:08,650
bird that's caught in a blur

968
00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:11,380
on a frame of a photo and someone says I

969
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:13,000
did not see that when they took the

970
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:16,600
picture I truly believe them okay when I

971
00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:19,570
see a butterfly that's caught in a frame

972
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:21,100
of a program it looks really odd or a

973
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,240
beetle flying through and they're

974
00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:23,920
reflections off of its carapace on the

975
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:26,680
back or are very bright and you can

976
00:46:29,490 --> 00:46:27,940
actually see the wings you know in some

977
00:46:32,010 --> 00:46:29,500
of these photos and with a little

978
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,020
outstretched lines radial lines sticking

979
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:34,960
off of them then you know I'm sure they

980
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:36,850
didn't see them because what we do as

981
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:39,070
human beings is we ignore the obvious

982
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:41,770
every day as we're driving down the road

983
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:43,630
you know how many times when people say

984
00:46:48,510 --> 00:46:45,310
did you see that that deer inside a road

985
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:48,520
and oh no I didn't or you know you see

986
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,350
that bird flying by they hadn't had that

987
00:46:55,110 --> 00:46:52,960
was a giant bird no I missed it you know

988
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:55,120
so your past you might have seen it you

989
00:46:58,020 --> 00:46:56,710
didn't know or you're the passenger you

990
00:47:00,210 --> 00:46:58,030
didn't see it

991
00:47:01,650 --> 00:47:00,220
we ignore the obvious every day when we

992
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:01,660
take pictures we're focusing on the

993
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:03,430
subject we're not focusing on that bug

994
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,790
flying through see so we're easily

995
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:09,520
distracted and we are focused creatures

996
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:11,890
we will refocus litters exit there's no

997
00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:14,170
stopping us actually our focus is really

998
00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:17,020
pretty good in the animal kingdom and so

999
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:19,240
when we see something we focus and we

1000
00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:21,310
take a picture okay I took a picture

1001
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:24,790
that Aztec temple but I didn't purposely

1002
00:47:29,099 --> 00:47:26,560
take a picture of that thing flying

1003
00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:29,109
through that looks like a UFO to me well

1004
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:31,300
what about what about the point one

1005
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:34,330
percent well the point one percent

1006
00:47:39,390 --> 00:47:36,790
represents those that there's not enough

1007
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:39,400
information to make a determination and

1008
00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:42,609
I like those and I'll tell you why the

1009
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:43,960
ones that don't have enough information

1010
00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:46,780
to first make an interpretation means

1011
00:47:52,589 --> 00:47:50,830
that there's a chance that more data

1012
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:52,599
will vindicate the sighting as

1013
00:48:00,089 --> 00:47:57,430
legitimate and actual or put it in a

1014
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:00,099
category of an own so there's a chance

1015
00:48:05,370 --> 00:48:01,690
you see that the ones that don't have

1016
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:05,380
enough information could be the real

1017
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:08,710
thing and I like that see I like that I

1018
00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:10,089
mean I've been doing this since you know

1019
00:48:14,849 --> 00:48:12,670
a mile over a decade and I go doing just

1020
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:14,859
what I'm doing and this is something

1021
00:48:19,710 --> 00:48:18,580
that is to me it's what makes me get up

1022
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:19,720
in the morning is this kind of thing

1023
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:21,790
because I want to find those ones that

1024
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:24,010
are unknowns I want to find the ones

1025
00:48:29,370 --> 00:48:27,220
that have no explanation I have I have

1026
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:29,380
one sighting I had if you want me to

1027
00:48:34,109 --> 00:48:31,089
talk about that now that I not guy had

1028
00:48:37,290 --> 00:48:34,119
work that I studied it I could never

1029
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:37,300
find an adequate explanation for and was

1030
00:48:44,339 --> 00:48:41,710
this the one in um in the Midwest this

1031
00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:44,349
was in Montana in Montana yeah remember

1032
00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:46,420
that one yeah so tell him about it

1033
00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:48,760
sure if his father was with his little

1034
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:51,070
daughter and me a favor he's going I

1035
00:48:56,070 --> 00:48:52,480
think was a baseball stadium I could be

1036
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,080
wrong and he starts to you know he's

1037
00:49:00,060 --> 00:48:58,000
filming with his camera it was like it

1038
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:00,070
was like a 8 or 16-millimeter camera and

1039
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:01,510
he's filming just to get some footage

1040
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:05,140
and he catches and it's only 3 seconds

1041
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:08,050
long maybe a little less he kept the two

1042
00:49:12,110 --> 00:49:11,290
silver objects flying extremely fast

1043
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:12,120
speed

1044
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:15,790
um and they go behind a tower a radio

1045
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:19,450
tower or light towers all right and it's

1046
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:23,190
the power that has the the like like a

1047
00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:25,690
transmission tower it has the girder II

1048
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:29,640
the girder looking a construction and I

1049
00:49:35,850 --> 00:49:32,470
studied that video for quite a while

1050
00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:35,860
and I realized you know what these

1051
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:37,900
things are actual this is not a doctor

1052
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:40,150
this isn't doctored footage okay it was

1053
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:42,850
in the 50s long before there was

1054
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,920
actually the ability to doctor footage

1055
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:47,520
in any kind of convincing way um and

1056
00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:50,610
when I looked at this footage I realized

1057
00:49:56,940 --> 00:49:54,340
those silver objects are brilliantly lit

1058
00:49:58,410 --> 00:49:56,950
so it could be that they're reflecting

1059
00:50:00,000 --> 00:49:58,420
the Sun or they're generating your own

1060
00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:00,010
light now if they were generating your

1061
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:02,020
own light I figured well they had to be

1062
00:50:07,530 --> 00:50:03,670
something like possibly a meteorite

1063
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:07,540
coming in but it was missing something

1064
00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:09,850
meteors like that you can see during the

1065
00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:14,350
day are big and they're also are doing

1066
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:15,670
something called a blading they're

1067
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:18,010
actually losing parts of themselves and

1068
00:50:23,970 --> 00:50:20,230
they're on fire they're burning shenana

1069
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:23,980
here right okay right and these weren't

1070
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:26,310
doing that there was absolutely nothing

1071
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:29,710
trailing them like you know tiniest

1072
00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:31,870
amount of smoke they leave contrails

1073
00:50:37,050 --> 00:50:34,750
like aircraft they leave contrails in

1074
00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:37,060
the sky and they're they're you know

1075
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:38,680
they're about you know 78 through a

1076
00:50:43,530 --> 00:50:40,270
hundred miles up possibly you know you

1077
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:43,540
don't know exactly how high and they

1078
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:45,730
were moving fairly shallow so meaning

1079
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:48,790
registry no horizontal I'll go almost so

1080
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:50,650
technically when you look at that you're

1081
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:52,450
looking at what could be a meteor that's

1082
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:54,130
missing the earth and when they do that

1083
00:51:00,120 --> 00:50:56,050
they do uh plate a huge amount of their

1084
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:00,130
you know mass then lose it to heat and

1085
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:02,170
dust you see smoke you see even

1086
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:03,910
particles breaking off all the time

1087
00:51:09,450 --> 00:51:06,970
that's what you see this had nothing

1088
00:51:11,490 --> 00:51:09,460
remotely like that and it wasn't because

1089
00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:11,500
it was a 16 millimeter film that wasn't

1090
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,020
too sensitive it was very very good film

1091
00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:15,760
for that three seconds you saw

1092
00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:18,700
everything and I can't explain this I

1093
00:51:23,070 --> 00:51:20,440
can't explain these two objects that

1094
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:23,080
move that fast now did I do research as

1095
00:51:25,470 --> 00:51:24,240
to what it could have been of course

1096
00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:25,480
when I

1097
00:51:29,790 --> 00:51:26,980
would I not be I wouldn't be doing my

1098
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:29,800
diligence if I wasn't there were some

1099
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:31,990
f-86 super savers that were flying in

1100
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,010
the area that day and f-86s have a very

1101
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:39,280
shiny skin their silver could have been

1102
00:51:44,670 --> 00:51:41,710
a pair of these planes reflecting the

1103
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:44,680
sunlight there's a chance except for the

1104
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:47,530
fact that they were more than 80 miles

1105
00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:49,480
away in a different direction and they

1106
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:50,830
wouldn't have moved that fast either

1107
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:52,510
because when you watch that that

1108
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:53,770
sequence of film

1109
00:52:02,900 --> 00:51:58,450
yeah looks extraordinarily fast I mean

1110
00:52:05,099 --> 00:52:02,910
like we're getting just stupid speed I

1111
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:05,109
like that like ludicrous speed yeah

1112
00:52:07,590 --> 00:52:05,830
ludicrous

1113
00:52:09,330 --> 00:52:07,600
well not quite - Ludacris we're not

1114
00:52:14,099 --> 00:52:09,340
quite - oh that well yeah yeah we're not

1115
00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:14,109
to plan but nonetheless streaking across

1116
00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:15,100
the sky

1117
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:17,380
yeah and that's death and what you just

1118
00:52:22,530 --> 00:52:19,690
said that's the thing that that actually

1119
00:52:24,330 --> 00:52:22,540
made me think that this was exciting

1120
00:52:25,859 --> 00:52:24,340
that you know had more - more

1121
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:25,869
information to give at some point

1122
00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:28,480
because they weren't streaking they were

1123
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:30,280
actually just pinpoints moving across

1124
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:32,200
the sky right if they were streaking

1125
00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:34,210
then we could say well they are losing

1126
00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:36,580
some mass they're bleeding some material

1127
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:37,780
off of them as they're coming into the

1128
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:40,150
atmosphere maybe it is a meteor but they

1129
00:52:43,770 --> 00:52:41,650
were doing no such thing

1130
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:43,780
right you know no such thing needs were

1131
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:46,720
just little pinpoints there was an off

1132
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:48,670
chance they could have been a reflection

1133
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,730
off those super savers and that

1134
00:52:55,410 --> 00:52:53,440
everybody in the chain of events got all

1135
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:55,420
the directions wrong and nobody knew

1136
00:53:01,290 --> 00:52:57,690
exactly where the planes were perhaps

1137
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:01,300
but now you're going into the stupid

1138
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:03,670
chances like using like stupid speed

1139
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:05,710
well these are like stupid chances right

1140
00:53:10,590 --> 00:53:06,850
what are the chances that that's going

1141
00:53:13,470 --> 00:53:10,600
to be happening you know it's not very

1142
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:13,480
likely that that so many people in the

1143
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:15,970
chain of command from the people that

1144
00:53:20,070 --> 00:53:17,770
launched the Super Sabres and that we're

1145
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:20,080
monitoring them at the control powers

1146
00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:23,890
will all have wrong information now one

1147
00:53:31,980 --> 00:53:25,960
of the and one of the things that I

1148
00:53:33,570 --> 00:53:31,990
enjoy about the past is is film that's

1149
00:53:36,359 --> 00:53:33,580
are the most important thing I mean it

1150
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:36,369
we're talking about film here and today

1151
00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:39,290
with we have an

1152
00:53:43,930 --> 00:53:40,940
the advantage of everybody's got a

1153
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:43,940
camera now so we have a whole lot of

1154
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:46,690
images that show up every single day and

1155
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:49,910
so that's cool too that's a bonus but

1156
00:53:55,630 --> 00:53:51,530
everybody's got Photoshop now

1157
00:53:57,010 --> 00:53:55,640
everybody's got some UFO program some

1158
00:53:59,370 --> 00:53:57,020
app on their phone

1159
00:54:02,560 --> 00:53:59,380
right after you uploaded your image well

1160
00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:02,570
how do you know today do you have the

1161
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:08,540
ability to look at a JPEG and and you're

1162
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:10,250
able to tell if it's if it's been

1163
00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:13,520
doctored and messed with yes I can and

1164
00:54:17,860 --> 00:54:16,040
for the most part it works there are

1165
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:17,870
times when it doesn't work but I won't

1166
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:20,570
explain that to your open audience right

1167
00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:23,870
you know but I don't want to give them

1168
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:25,700
you know assistants to fool me but I

1169
00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:27,740
will tell you what I can use I use a

1170
00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:30,430
process where I can actually study the

1171
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:33,590
compression algorithm that is made on

1172
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:37,280
the the images that I get that

1173
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:40,880
compression algorithm will be a telltale

1174
00:54:44,170 --> 00:54:42,530
sign because if you cut and paste

1175
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,180
something in or you have an app that

1176
00:54:50,140 --> 00:54:47,200
does it for you to an existing picture

1177
00:54:52,410 --> 00:54:50,150
then the object that's pasted in using

1178
00:54:55,330 --> 00:54:52,420
this algorithm is going to look so

1179
00:54:57,580 --> 00:54:55,340
unbelievably blatantly different from

1180
00:54:59,950 --> 00:54:57,590
the rest of the picture that you can say

1181
00:55:03,100 --> 00:54:59,960
with some fairly high degree of accuracy

1182
00:55:05,110 --> 00:55:03,110
that it was a cut and paste job and then

1183
00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:05,120
I've seen a bunch of those I use this

1184
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:06,080
every day

1185
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:09,050
you know on imagery I may even test

1186
00:55:14,620 --> 00:55:12,310
myself on imagery that I know is real

1187
00:55:16,510 --> 00:55:14,630
too and that is to say images of real

1188
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:16,520
things right laughter I just see if I

1189
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,390
can find any cases where the real ones

1190
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:21,680
actually look like they're forged

1191
00:55:24,670 --> 00:55:23,330
because that would be a problem too

1192
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:24,680
because then I would say that the

1193
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:26,330
technology just doesn't isn't worth

1194
00:55:30,370 --> 00:55:28,850
anything because if it can give you a

1195
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:30,380
false positive all the time well that's

1196
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:32,510
not good and this what this doesn't this

1197
00:55:36,610 --> 00:55:35,510
is actually pretty cut-and-dry I can

1198
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:36,620
tell you the name of the process it's

1199
00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:39,110
called error level analysis and I know

1200
00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:41,480
that PLA error level analysis is

1201
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:43,430
something that's somewhat controversial

1202
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:46,820
but there are ways to if you get the

1203
00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:50,570
JPEG or you get the image file at the

1204
00:55:53,140 --> 00:55:52,460
right time in the process the sequence

1205
00:55:56,170 --> 00:55:53,150
of

1206
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,180
the passing around the internet you can

1207
00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:58,640
make the determination early on before

1208
00:56:01,930 --> 00:56:00,440
too many other changes are made to it

1209
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:01,940
and then you're golden

1210
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:04,609
you can access 8:00 with someone right

1211
00:56:08,890 --> 00:56:05,930
now some in community you can actually

1212
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:08,900
make it clear to people that you kind of

1213
00:56:13,539 --> 00:56:12,049
know what you're thinking here and they

1214
00:56:17,049 --> 00:56:13,549
really won't argue with you too much

1215
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:17,059
with a when we come back we're going to

1216
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:19,609
hit a break here in 60 seconds when we

1217
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:22,970
come back there are a few historical

1218
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,010
things that I want to kind of jump back

1219
00:56:30,670 --> 00:56:28,640
and get your opinions on I do I do want

1220
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:30,680
to talk about billy meier I don't care

1221
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:34,490
what your opinion is I have mine and I

1222
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:36,770
want to jump into that but I also want

1223
00:56:43,569 --> 00:56:41,569
to one of the first things that you and

1224
00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:43,579
I sort of bumped heads on was a

1225
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:48,380
dragonfly drones and so I want to go

1226
00:56:55,180 --> 00:56:50,890
back and I wanted this label back that

1227
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:55,190
2007 I want to go back then because your

1228
00:57:02,019 --> 00:56:58,210
breakdown in your analysis of it was uh

1229
00:57:03,819 --> 00:57:02,029
was just a pearl ative it was it was

1230
00:57:08,109 --> 00:57:03,829
right there and it was on point but I

1231
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:08,119
disagreed with all of it so let's I do

1232
00:57:13,299 --> 00:57:10,250
want to go back and visit those and and

1233
00:57:15,609 --> 00:57:13,309
and and then go go to the present time

1234
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:15,619
too as well but let's do that it's going

1235
00:57:18,099 --> 00:57:16,970
to be a great conversations and I've

1236
00:57:20,529 --> 00:57:18,109
been looking forward to this for a long

1237
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:20,539
time or Gil tonight Mark Dantonio

1238
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:22,910
that's right MUFON photo analysis

1239
00:57:30,130 --> 00:57:26,930
analyst and of course a CGI Pro expert

1240
00:57:32,109 --> 00:57:30,140
astronomer all of that tonight how hi

1241
00:57:34,029 --> 00:57:32,119
Mark Dantonio is here I'm here to be

1242
00:57:36,099 --> 00:57:34,039
Church this is fade to black stay with

1243
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us it's going to be great nothing like a

1244
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Monday on fade to black stay with us

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1247
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1248
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:04,500
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1315
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1327
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this to me today and just say the number

1328
01:02:13,249 --> 01:02:11,700
23 how cool is that

1329
01:02:16,279 --> 01:02:13,259
is that beautiful that's what I'm

1330
01:02:18,589 --> 01:02:16,289
talking about it's it's heavy too I feel

1331
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it I feel the power going into my chest

1332
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I just got this really cool pendant

1333
01:02:25,759 --> 01:02:23,039
today mark from a Jason quit and died

1334
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:25,769
and I immediately put it on a chain and

1335
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and I got to tell you man

1336
01:02:36,109 --> 01:02:29,400
I feel pretty distinct at the moment

1337
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,119
looks pretty good so now I had said in

1338
01:02:43,789 --> 01:02:38,400
the in my opening statement tonight that

1339
01:02:47,689 --> 01:02:43,799
a billy meier for me I've got to give

1340
01:02:50,569 --> 01:02:47,699
him credit for opening my eyes and

1341
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:50,579
taking me down this path because in the

1342
01:02:55,279 --> 01:02:52,799
beginning when I saw his images you know

1343
01:02:57,499 --> 01:02:55,289
very young and and I see the coffee

1344
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:57,509
table book the famous one right you know

1345
01:03:02,269 --> 01:03:00,119
back in their early 80s and I was like

1346
01:03:04,009 --> 01:03:02,279
holy crap Wow

1347
01:03:06,499 --> 01:03:04,019
right and I flipped it through the you

1348
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:06,509
know and then of course you know over

1349
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,249
the years the balloon completely

1350
01:03:12,229 --> 01:03:10,799
deflated at least for me and I know that

1351
01:03:15,620 --> 01:03:12,239
there are still supporters out there

1352
01:03:18,529 --> 01:03:15,630
fine if it helps you down this path of

1353
01:03:20,749 --> 01:03:18,539
discovery it opens up your mind to

1354
01:03:24,289 --> 01:03:20,759
things great because that's what it did

1355
01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:24,299
for me but I know now that everything

1356
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:28,140
that I look at from Billy in it to me in

1357
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:31,680
my opinion is just a complete hoax now

1358
01:03:37,069 --> 01:03:35,880
you have an in your in your life I know

1359
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:37,079
that you've looked at these photographs

1360
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:40,170
how do you think they well I want your

1361
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,369
opinion do they fool you

1362
01:03:47,499 --> 01:03:45,200
know something I'll be honest with you

1363
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:47,509
I've been into photography and doing for

1364
01:03:52,660 --> 01:03:50,569
photos ever since I was well I'd say

1365
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:52,670
about nine at age nine I built my first

1366
01:03:58,989 --> 01:03:55,839
camera and built it I used cardboard and

1367
01:04:02,019 --> 01:03:58,999
an old lens and I actually built a

1368
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:02,029
camera built a film holder learned how

1369
01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:03,910
cameras work starting at age nine

1370
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,740
because I wanted to take Astro photos

1371
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:08,240
because every time I looked up in the

1372
01:04:12,579 --> 01:04:09,920
sky I felt homesick and I didn't love

1373
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:12,589
this guy so I'd go out every night it

1374
01:04:15,220 --> 01:04:13,910
was clear and just sit out there and

1375
01:04:18,460 --> 01:04:15,230
just look up and then I want to take

1376
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:18,470
pictures of it record it so naturally I

1377
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:22,160
would investigate strange pictures take

1378
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:23,569
it with other cameras that other people

1379
01:04:30,130 --> 01:04:25,730
have seen and I I came across billy

1380
01:04:34,029 --> 01:04:30,140
meier stuff and when I saw the photos my

1381
01:04:38,140 --> 01:04:34,039
opinion was immediate that is to say I

1382
01:04:40,059 --> 01:04:38,150
recognize bad photos the there was bad

1383
01:04:42,730 --> 01:04:40,069
depth of field he didn't know how to

1384
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:42,740
focus the camera right so you say okay

1385
01:04:47,339 --> 01:04:44,690
well he's a bad photographer did he

1386
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:47,349
still take pictures of a ballad thing

1387
01:04:51,789 --> 01:04:50,210
well it depends because you have to look

1388
01:04:54,670 --> 01:04:51,799
at the scale of the objects he was

1389
01:04:58,450 --> 01:04:54,680
showing you he was showing a UFO in full

1390
01:05:00,640 --> 01:04:58,460
sharp focus over a little tiny car and

1391
01:05:03,489 --> 01:05:00,650
the reflections on the car were wrong

1392
01:05:05,859 --> 01:05:03,499
the car wasn't in focus and it

1393
01:05:08,859 --> 01:05:05,869
recognized it as a toy car so I was like

1394
01:05:12,029 --> 01:05:08,869
wait a minute it just this is all this

1395
01:05:15,609 --> 01:05:12,039
is all fakery Billy Meyer was the first

1396
01:05:19,089 --> 01:05:15,619
UFO things I had heard about okay and

1397
01:05:23,019 --> 01:05:19,099
the kid and in time investigating billy

1398
01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:23,029
meier I was just really disheartened -

1399
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:25,190
thinking bland or this UFO thing it's

1400
01:05:29,289 --> 01:05:27,200
it's all bunch of fakes a bunch of

1401
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:29,299
hoaxes that's how I was introduced to

1402
01:05:33,489 --> 01:05:31,849
you ethology then but as I started to

1403
01:05:35,279 --> 01:05:33,499
learn is my degree as you knows

1404
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:35,289
astronomy and my specialty in astronomy

1405
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:38,410
exoplanets planets around other stars so

1406
01:05:44,410 --> 01:05:40,970
that's my chosen specialty right focus

1407
01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:44,420
so when I consider how many exoplanets

1408
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:46,249
are when I learned about this and

1409
01:05:51,420 --> 01:05:48,799
starting it actually way up in 1988 when

1410
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:51,430
the first one was a mouse I felt that

1411
01:05:58,960 --> 01:05:56,090
you know guys like Myer I don't lie

1412
01:06:01,840 --> 01:05:58,970
say that the guy is a total lunatic what

1413
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:01,850
i do want to say is he's caught up in

1414
01:06:10,090 --> 01:06:04,730
the drama and he's caught up in the

1415
01:06:12,070 --> 01:06:10,100
adulation and the celebrity crush yes he

1416
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:12,080
has a celebrity status complex I think

1417
01:06:17,950 --> 01:06:14,510
he may have actually seen something in

1418
01:06:20,020 --> 01:06:17,960
his life at one point he might have but

1419
01:06:21,250 --> 01:06:20,030
when the gravy train stopped he had to

1420
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:21,260
keep it going somehow

1421
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:23,990
so he took screen captures from a Dean

1422
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:25,970
Martin special and put the girl called

1423
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:28,250
them aliens you know I hope no one would

1424
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:30,410
catch him they did you know and he had

1425
01:06:36,610 --> 01:06:33,710
other explanations for it he built a UFO

1426
01:06:38,590 --> 01:06:36,620
called the wedding cake UFO in my

1427
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:38,600
opinion out of with the base of it's

1428
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:40,250
literally the top of one of the storage

1429
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:43,130
barrels from his barn and I have a photo

1430
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:45,250
of the storage barrels in his barn and

1431
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:49,370
the top cover is identical to the bottom

1432
01:06:54,850 --> 01:06:51,050
of the wedding cake UFO which gave me a

1433
01:06:56,890 --> 01:06:54,860
scale for the UFO then he has a photo of

1434
01:07:01,300 --> 01:06:56,900
that wedding cake UFO in front of his

1435
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:01,310
house and if you ever tried to take you

1436
01:07:05,110 --> 01:07:03,290
outside and take a photo of your car in

1437
01:07:07,330 --> 01:07:05,120
your driveway okay in front of your

1438
01:07:09,070 --> 01:07:07,340
house what are the chances that they the

1439
01:07:12,820 --> 01:07:09,080
car will be in focus in the house won't

1440
01:07:14,350 --> 01:07:12,830
be there really slim because you have to

1441
01:07:17,410 --> 01:07:14,360
get far enough away from the car to put

1442
01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:17,420
it all in the NIA field of view if you

1443
01:07:22,090 --> 01:07:20,270
take a photo with a telephoto lens then

1444
01:07:24,370 --> 01:07:22,100
you can get that effect easily but

1445
01:07:27,070 --> 01:07:24,380
that's not what Billy was using he took

1446
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:27,080
a regular little camera took the picture

1447
01:07:31,780 --> 01:07:28,880
and the house should have been in

1448
01:07:35,770 --> 01:07:31,790
perfect focus as well as the UFO and it

1449
01:07:38,110 --> 01:07:35,780
was not and that told me that what I was

1450
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,120
looking at was consistent that's a

1451
01:07:42,340 --> 01:07:40,640
favorite word of mine consistent no

1452
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:42,350
exotic pronouncement it's a consistency

1453
01:07:48,430 --> 01:07:46,010
it was consistent with this object being

1454
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:48,440
the size of the top of a utility barrel

1455
01:07:56,770 --> 01:07:54,050
as a base scale and so even that you

1456
01:08:00,760 --> 01:07:56,780
know I could not I just couldn't deal

1457
01:08:01,870 --> 01:08:00,770
with it and if you look at the UFO the

1458
01:08:04,420 --> 01:08:01,880
aliens must have been really bad

1459
01:08:05,650 --> 01:08:04,430
assemblers because the little round

1460
01:08:08,140 --> 01:08:05,660
things going all the way around this

1461
01:08:09,730 --> 01:08:08,150
wedding-cake UFO we're not in this

1462
01:08:12,220 --> 01:08:09,740
perfectly straight line they're kind of

1463
01:08:14,650 --> 01:08:12,230
a little bit I noticed that too I notice

1464
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:14,660
that you go back well when you first

1465
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:16,490
look at it because it's crisping clear

1466
01:08:21,490 --> 01:08:19,730
and it's in focus and it's in it's in

1467
01:08:23,980 --> 01:08:21,500
the you know it's in the front of the

1468
01:08:26,349 --> 01:08:23,990
photograph so it dominates your your

1469
01:08:28,780 --> 01:08:26,359
vision and what you're looking at and so

1470
01:08:31,809 --> 01:08:28,790
it's impressive but you go back and you

1471
01:08:34,059 --> 01:08:31,819
just really really look at this and and

1472
01:08:37,150 --> 01:08:34,069
I noticed that the Christmas ornaments

1473
01:08:40,090 --> 01:08:37,160
or whatever he used for them we're not

1474
01:08:42,490 --> 01:08:40,100
we're not perfect now if you're going to

1475
01:08:45,789 --> 01:08:42,500
build some interstellar spacecraft right

1476
01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:45,799
I'm assuming your christmas balls are

1477
01:08:51,249 --> 01:08:48,200
going to be in alignment if it was at

1478
01:08:54,010 --> 01:08:51,259
full scale if this thing was 60 foot in

1479
01:08:55,930 --> 01:08:54,020
diameter then the alignment of that

1480
01:08:58,570 --> 01:08:55,940
stuff is really good but if it's really

1481
01:09:00,519 --> 01:08:58,580
really small and the alignment is off by

1482
01:09:02,440 --> 01:09:00,529
just a little bit little bit fractions

1483
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:02,450
of an inch it's going to be really

1484
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:03,890
apparent of the photograph and that's

1485
01:09:08,110 --> 01:09:06,290
exactly what we were seeing there yeah

1486
01:09:10,450 --> 01:09:08,120
or if you're an older guy that wears

1487
01:09:13,210 --> 01:09:10,460
reading glasses too and you try to

1488
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,220
assemble something with one arm eat with

1489
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,440
worm okay that's it that's the thing

1490
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,600
that people always say he has one arm

1491
01:09:23,050 --> 01:09:19,279
how could he possibly hoax this stuff

1492
01:09:26,230 --> 01:09:23,060
and I go seriously yes are you kidding

1493
01:09:28,150 --> 01:09:26,240
me I mean just over two years ago Jimmy

1494
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,160
I was at quadriplegic and I was blind

1495
01:09:34,180 --> 01:09:31,040
those are facts okay I had to have

1496
01:09:35,620 --> 01:09:34,190
surgery to save my life and there's a

1497
01:09:37,090 --> 01:09:35,630
clot that got away from the surgeon and

1498
01:09:38,650 --> 01:09:37,100
went to the brain and I had six strokes

1499
01:09:40,809 --> 01:09:38,660
in the operating table I was a

1500
01:09:42,340 --> 01:09:40,819
quadriplegic and I was blind I figured

1501
01:09:43,599 --> 01:09:42,350
I'll never do models again I figured

1502
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:43,609
I'll never be able to go to talks again

1503
01:09:48,340 --> 01:09:44,960
nothing worked

1504
01:09:50,349 --> 01:09:48,350
all right well it took a couple of

1505
01:09:52,450 --> 01:09:50,359
months of really intensive

1506
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:52,460
rehabilitation and I learn something I

1507
01:09:58,540 --> 01:09:56,270
learned that no matter what happens

1508
01:10:00,700 --> 01:09:58,550
you'll figure out a way to do something

1509
01:10:03,820 --> 01:10:00,710
how do I know because I had to do it

1510
01:10:05,860 --> 01:10:03,830
right you know my legs didn't work but

1511
01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:05,870
my arms started to work so I said okay

1512
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:07,910
I'm happy I'm not a quadriplegic I'm a

1513
01:10:12,610 --> 01:10:10,850
paraplegic there's literally little

1514
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:12,620
victories right of course little

1515
01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:16,640
victories and then uh you know you get

1516
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:17,990
that you get at a point where you feel

1517
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:19,610
sorry for some oh I can't do this again

1518
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:22,010
today I know I and Billy's thinking and

1519
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:23,450
Billy's thinking is probably

1520
01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:25,250
I have one arm so they'll never expect

1521
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:26,540
that I could do this but I know how to

1522
01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:30,170
do this I just work slower and I'll just

1523
01:10:34,810 --> 01:10:32,450
use I have utility items that will help

1524
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,820
me hold things I mean I was planning

1525
01:10:38,620 --> 01:10:36,560
that in my head for how I was going to

1526
01:10:41,650 --> 01:10:38,630
continue making models and they had it

1527
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:41,660
all worked out that you know if I my my

1528
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:43,250
right arm came back first my left arm

1529
01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:44,570
head and I said okay if I get my right

1530
01:10:47,980 --> 01:10:47,270
arm I don't care about the left arm I

1531
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:47,990
can live with this

1532
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,810
and I I can figure out ways to make up

1533
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:52,400
you know hold things in place so I can

1534
01:10:57,460 --> 01:10:54,760
do special no gluing so I can do that

1535
01:10:59,860 --> 01:10:57,470
all right now you look at what he

1536
01:11:03,330 --> 01:10:59,870
assembles in his spacecraft for instance

1537
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,340
and you see billy meier a one-armed guy

1538
01:11:07,690 --> 01:11:05,600
probably using some type of helpful

1539
01:11:10,420 --> 01:11:07,700
items to help him study things to glue

1540
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:10,430
them on and as we saw he didn't get it

1541
01:11:17,470 --> 01:11:14,810
perfectly right as expected and it's

1542
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:17,480
okay you know I mean he opened your eyes

1543
01:11:23,170 --> 01:11:19,760
he open a lot of people's eyes but then

1544
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:23,180
he took it down a path that just was was

1545
01:11:30,970 --> 01:11:27,110
not good you know what I mean the the

1546
01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:30,980
other part with Billy that for me is I

1547
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:34,040
don't get how the publishers of those

1548
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:36,890
books of which were extreme and they

1549
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:42,290
were selling Lots shows to ignore the

1550
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:44,210
the other part of it and which was

1551
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:46,310
investigating this and how are we

1552
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:48,050
putting out stuff that we can stand

1553
01:11:52,750 --> 01:11:51,050
behind and that and again it goes to the

1554
01:11:55,090 --> 01:11:52,760
television productions that were going

1555
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:55,100
on and everything else everybody just

1556
01:12:00,400 --> 01:11:58,010
wanted to turn the other way why why do

1557
01:12:02,610 --> 01:12:00,410
you think that was would is it just

1558
01:12:05,380 --> 01:12:02,620
because it was a money thing you know I

1559
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,390
gonna tell you answers your question

1560
01:12:10,150 --> 01:12:07,840
while phrasing your question you said

1561
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:10,160
all the books are out there and they

1562
01:12:13,390 --> 01:12:12,170
were selling like hotcakes basically and

1563
01:12:17,170 --> 01:12:13,400
that's that you got to stop right there

1564
01:12:20,740 --> 01:12:17,180
because but that's the reason the dollar

1565
01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:20,750
and money in an in an industry where

1566
01:12:25,330 --> 01:12:22,790
people know that they're hot today and

1567
01:12:27,190 --> 01:12:25,340
cold tomorrow perhaps they got to get it

1568
01:12:28,330 --> 01:12:27,200
while we can you know that that kind of

1569
01:12:29,980 --> 01:12:28,340
thing is out there that kind of

1570
01:12:32,380 --> 01:12:29,990
mentality is out there in this arena I

1571
01:12:34,450 --> 01:12:32,390
could care less you know for me I could

1572
01:12:35,890 --> 01:12:34,460
care less you know I don't care who's

1573
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,900
saying what I say as long as that's

1574
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,040
being said

1575
01:12:42,010 --> 01:12:38,960
you know that the but the thing is when

1576
01:12:44,740 --> 01:12:42,020
you look at publishers and people that

1577
01:12:46,150 --> 01:12:44,750
lose TV shows they're looking for when a

1578
01:12:47,860 --> 01:12:46,160
guy says hey I want to put you on a TV

1579
01:12:50,740 --> 01:12:47,870
show here's what they're really saying I

1580
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:50,750
think you can draw in people to bring in

1581
01:12:55,330 --> 01:12:53,330
ratings to have our advertisers buy or

1582
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:55,340
have our advertisers buy space because

1583
01:12:59,800 --> 01:12:57,650
we'll be will be good for the clientele

1584
01:13:02,140 --> 01:12:59,810
we'll get lots of ad dollars out of you

1585
01:13:04,210 --> 01:13:02,150
that's what they're saying yeah you know

1586
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:04,220
now I'm in the TV and film industry and

1587
01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:07,250
obviously with with Doug and you know

1588
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,070
this is what happens and this is

1589
01:13:14,890 --> 01:13:12,320
actually particularly one of the reasons

1590
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:14,900
why you know Doug is no longer directly

1591
01:13:18,850 --> 01:13:16,370
in the film industry he doesn't wanna do

1592
01:13:20,590 --> 01:13:18,860
it anymore because of this there's a

1593
01:13:22,090 --> 01:13:20,600
zone thing and have our own little skunk

1594
01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:22,100
works that we're working on up there

1595
01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:25,640
but the point is that it's all about

1596
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:27,110
advertising dollars it's all about

1597
01:13:32,110 --> 01:13:28,400
bringing in money it's all about driving

1598
01:13:33,820 --> 01:13:32,120
revenue the talent is secondary yeah all

1599
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,830
they care about is is he a draw what's

1600
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,600
his name I don't care Jay draw he is

1601
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:38,000
okay come on wow that's step that's

1602
01:13:41,740 --> 01:13:39,530
right at the top what they think right

1603
01:13:44,230 --> 01:13:41,750
yeah that was the bottom you're singing

1604
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:44,240
wow I got a great opportunity and you do

1605
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:46,970
when you interface with people real

1606
01:13:51,790 --> 01:13:50,480
people you know and I like interfacing

1607
01:13:53,890 --> 01:13:51,800
with real people and hearing real

1608
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,900
conversation doing real talking real

1609
01:13:57,370 --> 01:13:55,760
investigation mm-hm

1610
01:14:01,150 --> 01:13:57,380
you know I don't like to fake it I never

1611
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,160
faked it okay that was a lie I just back

1612
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:03,440
up for a National Geographic special I

1613
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:05,930
did create a hoax and I'm admitting that

1614
01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:07,850
on your on your channel

1615
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:10,310
however it was part of the show I

1616
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,880
created a hoax so that I could show that

1617
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:14,960
upcoming technology could fool people

1618
01:14:19,630 --> 01:14:17,840
into thinking there were UFOs and this

1619
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:19,640
was when drones were just becoming an

1620
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:22,730
item we actually made one and create one

1621
01:14:27,190 --> 01:14:25,370
here and put lights all over it fluid

1622
01:14:28,930 --> 01:14:27,200
the winter sky it was surrounded by snow

1623
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:28,940
it looked like a UFO coming in for a

1624
01:14:31,570 --> 01:14:29,330
landing

1625
01:14:34,510 --> 01:14:31,580
it got all kinds of people crazy at a

1626
01:14:36,490 --> 01:14:34,520
local mall and there was a film crew out

1627
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:36,500
in the parking lot filming people's

1628
01:14:40,510 --> 01:14:38,090
reactions all over the place sometimes

1629
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:40,520
surreptitiously and it was just as

1630
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:42,710
expected Wow didn't bill know look

1631
01:14:46,150 --> 01:14:44,510
what's happening this is crazy you know

1632
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:46,160
and then some people said oh it's from

1633
01:14:50,859 --> 01:14:47,840
the hobby shop they're flying some new

1634
01:14:52,660 --> 01:14:50,869
kind of toy but the the

1635
01:14:54,850 --> 01:14:52,670
operative word was new you know they

1636
01:14:56,050 --> 01:14:54,860
knew that they were knowledgeable enough

1637
01:14:59,200 --> 01:14:56,060
to know that something new was coming

1638
01:15:00,760 --> 01:14:59,210
most people aren't so with me aware that

1639
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:00,770
new technology can flow through so

1640
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:04,010
there's that aspect of it too so I did

1641
01:15:08,770 --> 01:15:06,530
lie when I said I don't hoax think I do

1642
01:15:09,370 --> 01:15:08,780
for a purpose but only for that I'm only

1643
01:15:11,979 --> 01:15:09,380
done it once

1644
01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:11,989
do you think you could I want to get on

1645
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:14,420
to Rex Heflin here so we're going to do

1646
01:15:19,810 --> 01:15:17,210
that next but do you think you could I

1647
01:15:20,379 --> 01:15:19,820
think you could be eaten could you fool

1648
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:20,389
us

1649
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:24,530
I mean fool your friends fool the pros

1650
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:26,330
out there could you put together either

1651
01:15:31,839 --> 01:15:29,210
an image or a video that would

1652
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:31,849
absolutely fool everybody a move on

1653
01:15:38,979 --> 01:15:37,010
everybody and convince you know what

1654
01:15:40,109 --> 01:15:38,989
I've actually thought about that you

1655
01:15:43,839 --> 01:15:40,119
know I thought about you know whether

1656
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,849
whether my background is strong enough

1657
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:45,440
that I would actually be able to fool

1658
01:15:50,830 --> 01:15:49,250
myself mm-hmm okay if I gave this an

1659
01:15:52,300 --> 01:15:50,840
image I created if somebody else had

1660
01:15:54,669 --> 01:15:52,310
them do something out of that I did see

1661
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:54,679
and then it gets resubmitted to me in a

1662
01:15:58,359 --> 01:15:56,330
different context what I actually

1663
01:16:01,780 --> 01:15:58,369
recognize it as my work what I recognize

1664
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:01,790
it is something I've done and I'm happy

1665
01:16:06,339 --> 01:16:03,440
to say that I'm not sure I could I mean

1666
01:16:10,689 --> 01:16:06,349
that's a I'm not sure I'd recognize it

1667
01:16:13,649 --> 01:16:10,699
as my own however I tend to be able to

1668
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:13,659
recognize some CG stuff not not always

1669
01:16:18,939 --> 01:16:16,400
you know you sent me a photo analyze

1670
01:16:19,390 --> 01:16:18,949
Mount Adams read there were these birds

1671
01:16:22,450 --> 01:16:19,400
in the sky

1672
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:22,460
yep it was appear to be bird yep and the

1673
01:16:25,930 --> 01:16:23,570
first thing I did was I put it through

1674
01:16:28,959 --> 01:16:25,940
an ela process and I noticed that the

1675
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:28,969
ela process they they looked relatively

1676
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:31,449
like the other things in the frame so

1677
01:16:38,109 --> 01:16:34,159
the ela didn't give me information it

1678
01:16:41,859 --> 01:16:38,119
didn't say a fake or real it's just it

1679
01:16:43,450 --> 01:16:41,869
was sort of a neutral finding so and

1680
01:16:45,550 --> 01:16:43,460
there's a reason for that that has to do

1681
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:45,560
with the way the picture was stored but

1682
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:50,800
that said you know I'm not infallible I

1683
01:16:55,890 --> 01:16:53,840
can make mistakes and I'm happy to make

1684
01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:55,900
mistakes as long as I learn from them so

1685
01:16:59,890 --> 01:16:58,489
can i kind of fool myself could actually

1686
01:17:01,899 --> 01:16:59,900
make a picture that someone else out

1687
01:17:04,270 --> 01:17:01,909
there doing the stuff I do could could

1688
01:17:07,390 --> 01:17:04,280
be fooled by yeah

1689
01:17:09,700 --> 01:17:07,400
I could but it won't last because if

1690
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:09,710
they're tenacious like I am then they'll

1691
01:17:14,740 --> 01:17:12,320
keep coming back at it and try to see

1692
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:14,750
you know why did this fool me

1693
01:17:19,150 --> 01:17:16,730
is this real and then they might find

1694
01:17:21,420 --> 01:17:19,160
the [\h__\h] in my armor group know that I

1695
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:21,430
use for that particular image or video

1696
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:24,800
and I make these things you know here's

1697
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:25,970
the other thing too I'll just tell you

1698
01:17:31,930 --> 01:17:29,810
real fast when I get a case I look at

1699
01:17:34,210 --> 01:17:31,940
the image or I look at the video the

1700
01:17:36,340 --> 01:17:34,220
first thing I think about is if I were

1701
01:17:39,190 --> 01:17:36,350
to create that how would I do it and

1702
01:17:41,740 --> 01:17:39,200
then I do it right I recreate it right

1703
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:41,750
not really I have recreated imagery that

1704
01:17:46,900 --> 01:17:43,280
I've done where I got a image of this

1705
01:17:49,420 --> 01:17:46,910
blue orb thing that someone submitted to

1706
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:49,430
move on and I looked at it and I

1707
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:51,920
recognized the internal reflection

1708
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:55,370
inside and I said I think I know what

1709
01:17:59,920 --> 01:17:58,010
this is I went into my little secret

1710
01:18:02,290 --> 01:17:59,930
laboratory here otherwise that was my

1711
01:18:04,270 --> 01:18:02,300
special effect shot pulled out a few

1712
01:18:07,570 --> 01:18:04,280
things attached a few things got out of

1713
01:18:11,380 --> 01:18:07,580
breadboard wired up a quick circuit and

1714
01:18:15,790 --> 01:18:11,390
I took a photograph of a blue LED from

1715
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:15,800
the top at various brightnesses and what

1716
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:19,010
I noticed was I got not just close but I

1717
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:22,610
got exactly the same result as the

1718
01:18:29,530 --> 01:18:26,210
submitted photo so I basically said I

1719
01:18:31,470 --> 01:18:29,540
believe it's probably likely a hoax I

1720
01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:31,480
don't say it is I said likely a hoax

1721
01:18:38,020 --> 01:18:34,940
because this is almost identical to a

1722
01:18:39,790 --> 01:18:38,030
blue LED and you can even see you on the

1723
01:18:41,260 --> 01:18:39,800
outside the little the little flange at

1724
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:41,270
the bottom of LED where you know the

1725
01:18:44,830 --> 01:18:42,770
stop that holds it in place when you

1726
01:18:47,470 --> 01:18:44,840
push it into a hole of its size right

1727
01:18:50,830 --> 01:18:47,480
and I said that was even there in the

1728
01:18:53,650 --> 01:18:50,840
image very very faintly it's all the

1729
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:53,660
hole from the breadboard was the image

1730
01:18:57,580 --> 01:18:55,970
well that's not no no no not the hole

1731
01:18:59,320 --> 01:18:57,590
from the breadboard the actual little

1732
01:19:01,300 --> 01:18:59,330
flange around the base of the LED oh

1733
01:19:02,590 --> 01:19:01,310
yeah it's like that where I stopped we

1734
01:19:04,210 --> 01:19:02,600
definitely put into a hole that that

1735
01:19:07,690 --> 01:19:04,220
keeps it from coming through right and

1736
01:19:09,370 --> 01:19:07,700
and that was there very faintly and but

1737
01:19:11,770 --> 01:19:09,380
I didn't make any judgments on it until

1738
01:19:13,420 --> 01:19:11,780
I actually saw the result so when I see

1739
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:13,430
something I try to recreate it now if I

1740
01:19:17,739 --> 01:19:15,830
can't recreate it it doesn't mean that

1741
01:19:21,339 --> 01:19:17,749
it's

1742
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:21,349
no real it doesn't mean that you know it

1743
01:19:24,669 --> 01:19:22,729
can't be recreated it just means that I

1744
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:24,679
couldn't do it and it's only a first

1745
01:19:31,959 --> 01:19:27,169
step for me to try and kind of get into

1746
01:19:33,579 --> 01:19:31,969
the spirit of what that image might show

1747
01:19:36,939 --> 01:19:33,589
or the video what that image might show

1748
01:19:39,429 --> 01:19:36,949
and that has that kind of led me into

1749
01:19:41,829 --> 01:19:39,439
and this I started that years ago and

1750
01:19:43,329 --> 01:19:41,839
that kind of led me into taking my model

1751
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:43,339
making business kind of more into the

1752
01:19:47,919 --> 01:19:45,679
visual effects realm because I learned

1753
01:19:49,899 --> 01:19:47,929
you know very quickly how to recreate

1754
01:19:52,749 --> 01:19:49,909
certain effects just with light or just

1755
01:19:55,809 --> 01:19:52,759
with a difference in materials and just

1756
01:19:59,769 --> 01:19:55,819
with paint and stuff like that so I

1757
01:20:01,959 --> 01:19:59,779
ended up being able to alter my personal

1758
01:20:04,989 --> 01:20:01,969
business I did it all to my personal

1759
01:20:06,999 --> 01:20:04,999
business through do a full investigation

1760
01:20:10,269 --> 01:20:07,009
and trying to recreate things I just

1761
01:20:13,059 --> 01:20:10,279
have a mine today I have to disassemble

1762
01:20:15,339 --> 01:20:13,069
a sighting and I love it when I don't

1763
01:20:16,539 --> 01:20:15,349
understand what I'm seeing I absolutely

1764
01:20:19,209 --> 01:20:16,549
love when they don't understand what I'm

1765
01:20:22,029 --> 01:20:19,219
seeing and if I decipher it and then I'm

1766
01:20:23,979 --> 01:20:22,039
told yeah that's what it was then I feel

1767
01:20:26,649 --> 01:20:23,989
vindicated and sad at the same time it's

1768
01:20:28,869 --> 01:20:26,659
really a strange double-edged sword yeah

1769
01:20:30,249 --> 01:20:28,879
me and Tanya well what I want to tell

1770
01:20:34,869 --> 01:20:30,259
everybody what happened

1771
01:20:37,989 --> 01:20:34,879
so I sent I said mark a shot of that

1772
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:37,999
Rita had took of me standing in front of

1773
01:20:43,389 --> 01:20:40,489
Mount Adams and above me you can clearly

1774
01:20:45,009 --> 01:20:43,399
see a bird off to the right its word but

1775
01:20:47,619 --> 01:20:45,019
and then off in the other direction

1776
01:20:50,079 --> 01:20:47,629
above me to the left was something that

1777
01:20:52,389 --> 01:20:50,089
was a little more Square and horizontal

1778
01:20:54,099 --> 01:20:52,399
and and squared off and Reed was like

1779
01:20:56,619 --> 01:20:54,109
what do you think this is I said you

1780
01:20:58,299 --> 01:20:56,629
know what hold on I'm gonna send this to

1781
01:20:59,679 --> 01:20:58,309
mark so I sent it to mark I don't give

1782
01:21:03,539 --> 01:20:59,689
him any information I said what do you

1783
01:21:06,729 --> 01:21:03,549
think that he hits me back it's a blood

1784
01:21:07,419 --> 01:21:06,739
so that that picture did not get

1785
01:21:09,519 --> 01:21:07,429
published

1786
01:21:10,929 --> 01:21:09,529
there was no crazy client reagent you

1787
01:21:13,179 --> 01:21:10,939
know it was something that was there

1788
01:21:15,999 --> 01:21:13,189
that looked a little strange but we sent

1789
01:21:16,359 --> 01:21:16,009
to you you know I'm sorry I can tell you

1790
01:21:18,099 --> 01:21:16,369
though

1791
01:21:19,359 --> 01:21:18,109
why it had that little squares look and

1792
01:21:22,959 --> 01:21:19,369
I don't think I told you that at the

1793
01:21:25,689 --> 01:21:22,969
time um it was a very small image a very

1794
01:21:28,829 --> 01:21:25,699
small object next to the bigger object

1795
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:28,839
remember that yes right smaller well

1796
01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:31,130
sometimes the way

1797
01:21:35,649 --> 01:21:33,710
you JPEG files get compressed alright

1798
01:21:39,490 --> 01:21:35,659
because all JPEGs are what's called

1799
01:21:41,050 --> 01:21:39,500
lossy compression they lose data in

1800
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:41,060
order to compress and make them more

1801
01:21:46,450 --> 01:21:44,449
reasonable size and we take a video each

1802
01:21:50,020 --> 01:21:46,460
frame in the video is also similarly

1803
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:50,030
compressed with the algorithm so you

1804
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:53,090
know you don't ever get a true fact

1805
01:21:56,860 --> 01:21:55,040
simile of what actually transpired you

1806
01:21:59,410 --> 01:21:56,870
only get a video that's had been that's

1807
01:22:02,410 --> 01:21:59,420
been modified usually by the system that

1808
01:22:03,610 --> 01:22:02,420
takes it to compress it so let's stick

1809
01:22:06,910 --> 01:22:03,620
with the image you see the image world

1810
01:22:08,979 --> 01:22:06,920
when the JPEG file gets has compression

1811
01:22:11,459 --> 01:22:08,989
it has a compression algorithm that gets

1812
01:22:15,490 --> 01:22:11,469
activated on the tiniest of pixels and

1813
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:15,500
it changes the look and you can actually

1814
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:17,090
get when you zoom in on it you can

1815
01:22:22,060 --> 01:22:19,850
actually see that some of the pixels

1816
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:22,070
look much more square I'm sorry not the

1817
01:22:27,939 --> 01:22:24,110
pixels the some of the image looks more

1818
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:27,949
square than it may have because the JPEG

1819
01:22:33,340 --> 01:22:29,810
algorithm is actually making judgments

1820
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:33,350
on what the value has to be so if it's

1821
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:35,210
somewhat straight but not quite straight

1822
01:22:38,620 --> 01:22:37,310
and it doesn't line up right with the

1823
01:22:40,750 --> 01:22:38,630
pixels then the JPEG compression

1824
01:22:41,950 --> 01:22:40,760
algorithm is going to actually make it

1825
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:41,960
look a little different it might make it

1826
01:22:47,410 --> 01:22:45,290
more linear than it was and nowhere is

1827
01:22:50,890 --> 01:22:47,420
that more evident when when people send

1828
01:22:52,899 --> 01:22:50,900
me images of objects they take pictures

1829
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:52,909
of and they say but if you zoom in

1830
01:22:59,320 --> 01:22:56,449
really far then you can see these

1831
01:23:01,540 --> 01:22:59,330
creatures and they're driving well if

1832
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:01,550
you zoom in really far you see the JPEG

1833
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:03,650
compression algorithm results on how its

1834
01:23:08,530 --> 01:23:06,560
handling the picture and then pareidolia

1835
01:23:11,620 --> 01:23:08,540
takes over a period of course is trying

1836
01:23:14,649 --> 01:23:11,630
to see a familiar pattern amongst an

1837
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:14,659
unfamiliar pattern and when pareidolia

1838
01:23:18,910 --> 01:23:17,210
takes over then that's when people see

1839
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:18,920
bunnies and clouds that some people see

1840
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,639
you know our face on Mars okay that's

1841
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:24,320
when people see things that may not be

1842
01:23:29,740 --> 01:23:27,170
there certainly no rabbits in the clouds

1843
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:29,750
something like that but this is the

1844
01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:31,960
whole point you know we we have to fight

1845
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:35,510
the human mind okay so to be an analyst

1846
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:37,370
like this you you have to understand how

1847
01:23:43,020 --> 01:23:40,159
the human mind works and how our brain

1848
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:43,030
functions with data we don't understand

1849
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:45,010
so it's almost like

1850
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:46,570
you can't just no cameras you can't just

1851
01:23:49,950 --> 01:23:48,610
no astronomy you have to know about this

1852
01:23:52,050 --> 01:23:49,960
stuff do we have to know about earth

1853
01:23:53,310 --> 01:23:52,060
scientists know about geology you have

1854
01:23:57,810 --> 01:23:53,320
to know about all the things that can

1855
01:24:00,630 --> 01:23:57,820
cause strange lights geologically I have

1856
01:24:02,430 --> 01:24:00,640
to understand how the earth works so you

1857
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:02,440
can understand how light works how the

1858
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:05,290
Sun works you know and trust me when I

1859
01:24:11,130 --> 01:24:08,080
get people ranting at me that the earth

1860
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,140
is flat okay and I know there's a lot of

1861
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,120
people out there that you know are doing

1862
01:24:17,310 --> 01:24:15,760
this and saying this nowadays I I swear

1863
01:24:19,140 --> 01:24:17,320
I think it's because they just want

1864
01:24:21,420 --> 01:24:19,150
trouble I think they just want to be

1865
01:24:23,010 --> 01:24:21,430
contrary yeah they know they know the

1866
01:24:25,470 --> 01:24:23,020
earth is round they just want a good

1867
01:24:28,020 --> 01:24:25,480
debate right we have to think they do

1868
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:28,030
right but there's guys out there that I

1869
01:24:31,890 --> 01:24:29,650
don't think they really think you're

1870
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:31,900
this round and it's like man how did

1871
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:35,110
science fail this person so miserably oh

1872
01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:37,450
man I don't know how that I don't know

1873
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:39,640
how that took traction

1874
01:24:45,090 --> 01:24:41,890
I really don't I'm still fascinated with

1875
01:24:48,150 --> 01:24:45,100
that we've got we've got three two and a

1876
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:48,160
half minutes now Rex have fun to his

1877
01:24:54,090 --> 01:24:51,310
photographs those Polaroids to me are

1878
01:24:56,580 --> 01:24:54,100
some of the most extraordinary on planet

1879
01:24:59,700 --> 01:24:56,590
Earth ever I think there are some of the

1880
01:25:02,280 --> 01:24:59,710
most impressive images can you give me

1881
01:25:04,410 --> 01:25:02,290
the two-and-a-half minute Marc Dantonio

1882
01:25:07,650 --> 01:25:04,420
version of the rocks head flim

1883
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:07,660
photographs when you see them yeah when

1884
01:25:12,180 --> 01:25:09,490
I looked at the Rex Heflin photos and

1885
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:12,190
just so you know I mean historic data to

1886
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:14,560
me is great and I do analyze it I do

1887
01:25:19,470 --> 01:25:17,650
look at it but of course with the we're

1888
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:19,480
focusing on the future and trying to

1889
01:25:22,830 --> 01:25:21,130
catch the skid marks of an alien race

1890
01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:22,840
using advanced propulsion techniques

1891
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:24,510
that's what we call it skid mark but

1892
01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:27,090
every fifteen-year-old kid loves us um

1893
01:25:32,250 --> 01:25:29,830
correcto when I look at Rex heflin's

1894
01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:32,260
photos and I looked at them again

1895
01:25:35,970 --> 01:25:33,910
remember we're only looking at digital

1896
01:25:37,650 --> 01:25:35,980
copies of some prints that were

1897
01:25:39,330 --> 01:25:37,660
originally print so we don't really have

1898
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:39,340
a good data

1899
01:25:43,020 --> 01:25:41,530
you know the photos weren't taken with a

1900
01:25:46,290 --> 01:25:43,030
digital camera that we take with a film

1901
01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:46,300
camera so we can't do the work on them

1902
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:48,820
that we might expect to be able to do

1903
01:25:54,810 --> 01:25:52,570
you know but nevertheless when I look at

1904
01:25:58,680 --> 01:25:54,820
the photos the thing with the Rex Heflin

1905
01:26:00,360 --> 01:25:58,690
photos that jumped out at me was that

1906
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:00,370
I was trying to look at the day what was

1907
01:26:05,090 --> 01:26:02,770
the day like the day look like it was

1908
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:05,100
bright and sunny but it also looked hazy

1909
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:06,970
now that could have been the film

1910
01:26:12,690 --> 01:26:10,570
quality Polaroid black-and-white yeah

1911
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:12,700
could have been the film quality a

1912
01:26:17,580 --> 01:26:15,130
quality of film and how it made it that

1913
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:17,590
look so we don't really know what the

1914
01:26:23,550 --> 01:26:20,050
day was actually but it looked like a

1915
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:23,560
hazy day to that end I would have

1916
01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:26,050
expected to see that the UFO object

1917
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:28,240
would whether it was created by a film

1918
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:32,320
artifact or else whether artifact I

1919
01:26:39,150 --> 01:26:34,570
would have expected the UFO to actually

1920
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:39,160
be a little less sharp and clear I would

1921
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:43,810
have expected it in fact to be more fun

1922
01:26:51,180 --> 01:26:48,010
doubt phased out a little bit again

1923
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,190
either by the film quality or by the day

1924
01:26:55,290 --> 01:26:52,960
now I'm not saying they were faked

1925
01:26:58,260 --> 01:26:55,300
photos in terms of you know cut and

1926
01:27:02,010 --> 01:26:58,270
paste I'd certainly not saying that okay

1927
01:27:04,710 --> 01:27:02,020
so for me the jury is out on Heflin and

1928
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:04,720
I'll play that I still consider it a

1929
01:27:09,780 --> 01:27:06,370
historic case of importance and the

1930
01:27:13,010 --> 01:27:09,790
reason I do is because I've created I

1931
01:27:14,970 --> 01:27:13,020
created a man I'm not keep creating

1932
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:14,980
history what's called the history makers

1933
01:27:21,450 --> 01:27:17,530
collection of UFOs and I have the first

1934
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:21,460
three and at the s-51 you know the area

1935
01:27:27,390 --> 01:27:25,090
51 UFO yes yes yes one UFO I have Rex

1936
01:27:29,970 --> 01:27:27,400
Heflin and I have the Belgian triangle

1937
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:29,980
right even though we know that you know

1938
01:27:33,900 --> 01:27:31,810
everybody has explanations for what all

1939
01:27:35,190 --> 01:27:33,910
three of those may very well be or are

1940
01:27:37,890 --> 01:27:35,200
and yes

1941
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,900
consider the people have very very

1942
01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:39,360
adamant about their opinion sometimes

1943
01:27:44,970 --> 01:27:42,340
well I have Rex Heflin is one of the

1944
01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:44,980
history makers and the reason is because

1945
01:27:50,820 --> 01:27:49,150
of the fact that Rex Heflin alright he

1946
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:50,830
in that photo

1947
01:27:57,900 --> 01:27:55,090
he set a pattern for the future the

1948
01:28:00,510 --> 01:27:57,910
pattern was get out your camera carry

1949
01:28:02,730 --> 01:28:00,520
your camera with you take pictures and

1950
01:28:05,340 --> 01:28:02,740
that's that started it all didn't it

1951
01:28:07,620 --> 01:28:05,350
yeah it is certainly right Yeah right

1952
01:28:10,650 --> 01:28:07,630
and so to that end whether it's

1953
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:10,660
artificial or created I have to say it

1954
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:12,190
belongs as a history maker

1955
01:28:15,810 --> 01:28:13,810
and the jury is too long for me on that

1956
01:28:17,490 --> 01:28:15,820
in terms of whether it's real our guest

1957
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:17,500
tonight Mark Dantonio

1958
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I'm your host of meters this is fade to

1959
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1960
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1961
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1962
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Church radio more with mark right after

1963
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2032
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:12,500
church this is revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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[Music]

2035
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:02,320
all right welcome back to fade to black

2036
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:05,110
our guest tonight marked the Antonio

2037
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:09,440
yeah man he is the CGI pro he's the

2038
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:11,930
model builder he's the photo analyst

2039
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:15,170
he's the guy also exoplanets we didn't

2040
01:33:21,130 --> 01:33:17,810
get into that astronomy that he manages

2041
01:33:23,410 --> 01:33:21,140
his own Observatory how are you going to

2042
01:33:25,420 --> 01:33:23,420
mark how are you going to pack that up

2043
01:33:27,610 --> 01:33:25,430
and just move it to Arizona how does

2044
01:33:29,650 --> 01:33:27,620
that happen well the way the way it

2045
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:29,660
happens you mean is really cool by I

2046
01:33:33,970 --> 01:33:32,480
gotta say I really love the music you

2047
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:33,980
know your music is just phenomenal I

2048
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mean that's the kind of music I like to

2049
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play I play like a guitar and I love

2050
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:40,490
just like playing blues riffs just going

2051
01:33:43,270 --> 01:33:42,290
to Thomas letting it all happen and love

2052
01:33:45,970 --> 01:33:43,280
that good stuff

2053
01:33:48,010 --> 01:33:45,980
that's a guy named Doug Aldridge I love

2054
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:48,020
it yeah done love it she's amazing but

2055
01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:51,530
how do you hack up an observatory well

2056
01:33:58,750 --> 01:33:54,710
the building is a prefab building that I

2057
01:34:00,490 --> 01:33:58,760
bought from Canada and I the it had some

2058
01:34:03,370 --> 01:34:00,500
problems when it got here and few parts

2059
01:34:06,820 --> 01:34:03,380
are broken so forth but I wanted to have

2060
01:34:08,650 --> 01:34:06,830
a building so I have a place for so

2061
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:08,660
having a place for it's not a big deal

2062
01:34:13,780 --> 01:34:11,600
having a foundation for the foundation

2063
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:13,790
is temporary that the whole Observatory

2064
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:16,210
building is sitting on industrial

2065
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:20,450
packing industrial shipping pallets okay

2066
01:34:26,140 --> 01:34:23,510
and then there's plywood over that and

2067
01:34:27,460 --> 01:34:26,150
then a flooring material and then a hole

2068
01:34:30,130 --> 01:34:27,470
in the center and they get a big steel

2069
01:34:32,290 --> 01:34:30,140
pier and the only thing that's going to

2070
01:34:33,340 --> 01:34:32,300
be left on the ground when this thing

2071
01:34:36,940 --> 01:34:33,350
moves and I'll tell you how that

2072
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:36,950
happened is a little concrete pad that

2073
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:39,530
the pier is bolted to and that's

2074
01:34:44,050 --> 01:34:42,560
actually a vertical 48 inch concrete

2075
01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:44,060
pier that goes all the way down to the

2076
01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:44,450
ground

2077
01:34:48,730 --> 01:34:47,510
right so I get I have a backhoe I could

2078
01:34:51,220 --> 01:34:48,740
just pull it out with the tractor if I

2079
01:34:53,820 --> 01:34:51,230
had to if they make sure some new owners

2080
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:53,830
wants it out but the bottom line is

2081
01:34:57,970 --> 01:34:55,970
because of the prefab building the

2082
01:35:01,860 --> 01:34:57,980
entire building disassembled you ready

2083
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:01,870
for this it'll fit in a compact car

2084
01:35:08,020 --> 01:35:05,090
really it did yes all the parts all

2085
01:35:12,340 --> 01:35:08,030
meshed together all right but here's the

2086
01:35:13,630 --> 01:35:12,350
truth in no way am I ever going to take

2087
01:35:15,900 --> 01:35:13,640
this thing apart again what I'm going to

2088
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:15,910
do is I'm going to transport it in

2089
01:35:20,230 --> 01:35:18,320
prefabricated sections okay if I can

2090
01:35:21,970 --> 01:35:20,240
send the dome in two halves I'm gonna

2091
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,980
because that was a real pain putting it

2092
01:35:28,630 --> 01:35:23,840
together right now I built I build it

2093
01:35:31,060 --> 01:35:28,640
alone and as such it took me about four

2094
01:35:34,750 --> 01:35:31,070
days to assemble at all all right

2095
01:35:36,580 --> 01:35:34,760
I dug the hole poured the concrete and

2096
01:35:38,020 --> 01:35:36,590
put a solid steel pier that I had made

2097
01:35:41,290 --> 01:35:38,030
it industrial park up at the store up

2098
01:35:45,090 --> 01:35:41,300
the street and then put the telescope on

2099
01:35:48,430 --> 01:35:45,100
it so I have about 350 pounds worth of

2100
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:48,440
instrument above the floor and you know

2101
01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:50,690
it can't get loose on you or it'll kill

2102
01:35:57,220 --> 01:35:51,110
you

2103
01:35:59,190 --> 01:35:57,230
gets packed up is I just do it in

2104
01:36:01,720 --> 01:35:59,200
reverse order I take the telescope off

2105
01:36:05,650 --> 01:36:01,730
put it in this packing box which I kept

2106
01:36:08,110 --> 01:36:05,660
I take the pier out and you can't hurt

2107
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:08,120
that so I he you could drag it behind

2108
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:09,440
the vehicle if you're used to driving

2109
01:36:14,050 --> 01:36:11,570
down the highway not get hurt it's

2110
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:14,060
healed hundred fifty pounds right there

2111
01:36:20,050 --> 01:36:17,330
and then the foundation is in two

2112
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:20,060
sections for flooring so you just

2113
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:22,970
basically unscrew the top plywood you

2114
01:36:26,830 --> 01:36:25,280
fold things in half take apart the

2115
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:26,840
sections as much as you want to for the

2116
01:36:34,090 --> 01:36:31,520
building stick it in a pod basically and

2117
01:36:36,490 --> 01:36:34,100
have it shipped and then do the same

2118
01:36:38,620 --> 01:36:36,500
thing in Reverse when you get there in

2119
01:36:40,210 --> 01:36:38,630
Arizona and I'm going to I'm looking for

2120
01:36:43,810 --> 01:36:40,220
land that I can put this on it's going

2121
01:36:45,610 --> 01:36:43,820
to be very very dark sky you know and

2122
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:45,620
it's going to be an automated facility

2123
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:48,770
so right now as it stands I control the

2124
01:36:54,970 --> 01:36:51,440
entire telescope and the camera using an

2125
01:36:57,310 --> 01:36:54,980
iPad all right yeah the only thing I

2126
01:36:59,770 --> 01:36:57,320
can't do is move the dome and that

2127
01:37:01,900 --> 01:36:59,780
automation gear is a few hundred more

2128
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:01,910
dollars stands between me and being able

2129
01:37:09,460 --> 01:37:04,400
do that as well and then once that's

2130
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:09,470
done ah I'm going to be able to get this

2131
01:37:15,730 --> 01:37:11,810
online so that I can log into it from

2132
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:15,740
wherever I am or people who are part of

2133
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:16,970
the network can log into it from

2134
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:18,530
wherever they are and take photos of any

2135
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:21,050
link any design and anything they want

2136
01:37:26,570 --> 01:37:23,410
to do anywhere in the sky that's visible

2137
01:37:28,340 --> 01:37:26,580
and that's that's the idea and

2138
01:37:30,590 --> 01:37:28,350
there's things like moisture sensors you

2139
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:30,600
can get so that if it gets too humid you

2140
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:32,250
can automatically close down the dome

2141
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:34,170
you know cover up the telescope close

2142
01:37:37,010 --> 01:37:35,520
down the dome it'll do it by itself you

2143
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:37,020
can just have that happen

2144
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:39,600
so that's how you do it you know it's a

2145
01:37:44,930 --> 01:37:42,810
whole process but I just I've never been

2146
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:44,940
under a fully dark sky in my life except

2147
01:37:50,270 --> 01:37:48,330
when I was out on the ocean we should

2148
01:37:52,700 --> 01:37:50,280
would have Maine every every summer and

2149
01:37:54,170 --> 01:37:52,710
I would go out of my cousins lobster

2150
01:37:55,730 --> 01:37:54,180
boat around his trawler and I'd run the

2151
01:37:56,030 --> 01:37:55,740
radar for him or whatever I'd help him

2152
01:37:58,670 --> 01:37:56,040
out

2153
01:38:01,670 --> 01:37:58,680
you know me mister kicking dirt and then

2154
01:38:03,770 --> 01:38:01,680
I would actually go outside to get rid

2155
01:38:06,830 --> 01:38:03,780
of my seasickness we'll leave it at that

2156
01:38:09,980 --> 01:38:06,840
and then I look up and I see this

2157
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:09,990
beautiful sky and it was so beautiful so

2158
01:38:17,870 --> 01:38:14,400
dark you could see the clouds as dark

2159
01:38:19,970 --> 01:38:17,880
against the stars dark clouds against

2160
01:38:22,970 --> 01:38:19,980
the stars I've never seen that except up

2161
01:38:25,790 --> 01:38:22,980
there I'll tell you what at II said II

2162
01:38:28,490 --> 01:38:25,800
two weeks ago when we were up there and

2163
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:28,500
I'm on Adams yeah near Mount Adams where

2164
01:38:34,490 --> 01:38:31,650
there is there is it's it's two hours to

2165
01:38:37,130 --> 01:38:34,500
the next city right I mean I'm is

2166
01:38:39,410 --> 01:38:37,140
blackened and you look up and you're

2167
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:39,420
looking at the stars in the Milky Way

2168
01:38:44,330 --> 01:38:42,330
and the clouds of stars right and the

2169
01:38:47,480 --> 01:38:44,340
color of everything

2170
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:47,490
it is cinematic and is 3d and as

2171
01:38:51,650 --> 01:38:49,920
breathtaking as you can imagine it isn't

2172
01:38:54,050 --> 01:38:51,660
though yeah because here in Los Angeles

2173
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:54,060
which has got to be the most light

2174
01:39:00,860 --> 01:38:58,050
polluted place on planet Earth right is

2175
01:39:03,020 --> 01:39:00,870
so [\h__\h] high it'll next to Shanghai

2176
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:03,030
right or Hong Kong or something but

2177
01:39:07,220 --> 01:39:05,130
where we don't have I mean you know week

2178
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:07,230
out a couple of stars right but it's

2179
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:11,760
amazing it's the same sky right the same

2180
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:14,970
sky and you go to someplace like he said

2181
01:39:20,180 --> 01:39:17,370
he or Joshua Tree where you're just away

2182
01:39:22,430 --> 01:39:20,190
from the light pollution and you look up

2183
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:22,440
and it's just breathtaking and it's the

2184
01:39:28,700 --> 01:39:25,770
same sky that we would have here but

2185
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:28,710
it's it's just all revealed to you just

2186
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:32,010
just think right now let me just say

2187
01:39:35,570 --> 01:39:33,810
well let will think ever for you just

2188
01:39:38,030 --> 01:39:35,580
before you do this I got to tell you

2189
01:39:40,220 --> 01:39:38,040
when you saw that those stars for the

2190
01:39:41,900 --> 01:39:40,230
first time ever

2191
01:39:44,090 --> 01:39:41,910
tell me that you were able to breathe

2192
01:39:46,850 --> 01:39:44,100
normally for like a few minutes oh no

2193
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:46,860
exactly no you can't no you can't you

2194
01:39:52,910 --> 01:39:49,770
can't I remember we went up one time

2195
01:39:57,710 --> 01:39:52,920
this was a few years ago and we went up

2196
01:40:00,380 --> 01:39:57,720
into the mountains in Joshua Tree and up

2197
01:40:04,940 --> 01:40:00,390
to this house where we're away from

2198
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:04,950
everything I looked up and the the Milky

2199
01:40:10,820 --> 01:40:08,730
Way streaking across the sky where you

2200
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:10,830
have black on both sides of it right and

2201
01:40:15,770 --> 01:40:12,480
your Linea and II just

2202
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:15,780
and the purples and the and the reds and

2203
01:40:22,940 --> 01:40:18,330
the stars and it's just something holy

2204
01:40:25,820 --> 01:40:22,950
crap and all you want to do is stare at

2205
01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:25,830
it right I think that's that's you know

2206
01:40:30,380 --> 01:40:28,350
I can only think about this mark and

2207
01:40:31,250 --> 01:40:30,390
this is this is the reality of the world

2208
01:40:36,620 --> 01:40:31,260
we live in

2209
01:40:41,390 --> 01:40:36,630
let's go back go back 5,000 years right

2210
01:40:43,729 --> 01:40:41,400
5,000 years 3000 BC and you're anywhere

2211
01:40:48,440 --> 01:40:43,739
on planet earth well you know what your

2212
01:40:50,510 --> 01:40:48,450
your 4k television was this is why yeah

2213
01:40:53,090 --> 01:40:50,520
that's right you know and can you

2214
01:40:57,110 --> 01:40:53,100
imagine what they were seeing when there

2215
01:41:02,600 --> 01:40:57,120
was zero light pollution I mean when it

2216
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:02,610
was night it was black and red and just

2217
01:41:08,420 --> 01:41:06,090
imagine that you know today where we

2218
01:41:11,180 --> 01:41:08,430
have to go to Argentina or go to Chile

2219
01:41:13,070 --> 01:41:11,190
or you know go to these crazy places on

2220
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:13,080
the top of a mountain to avoid all the

2221
01:41:18,830 --> 01:41:16,320
the magnetics in the e/m and and and

2222
01:41:20,030 --> 01:41:18,840
cell phone interference as well as the

2223
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:20,040
light pollution right you want to get

2224
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:23,610
away from everything and and that's what

2225
01:41:27,020 --> 01:41:25,410
we have to do today because the light

2226
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:27,030
pollution is everywhere no matter where

2227
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:29,520
you go but yeah I'll just think about I

2228
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:32,130
have to think about that yeah and now I

2229
01:41:37,190 --> 01:41:34,290
want to I want to discuss the dragonfly

2230
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:37,200
drones and and when we get to the break

2231
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,360
or we're going to go exoplanets after

2232
01:41:45,650 --> 01:41:41,760
the break but but let's discuss the

2233
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:45,660
Dragonfly drones my my thing was back

2234
01:41:51,380 --> 01:41:47,850
when when when your analysis was done

2235
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:51,390
and I was I was getting angry with you

2236
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:52,210
well

2237
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:56,530
is that was that I love it I'm glad I'm

2238
01:42:01,050 --> 01:41:58,960
crying I don't know I know you this is

2239
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:01,060
not an uncommon reaction you know and

2240
01:42:05,459 --> 01:42:03,610
and you know but go for it

2241
01:42:07,970 --> 01:42:05,469
well you gotta level me go right ahead

2242
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:07,980
level me I'm all right we don't know no

2243
01:42:13,790 --> 01:42:12,130
because I don't know and probably you

2244
01:42:17,970 --> 01:42:13,800
don't know either but let's go with this

2245
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:17,980
Linda Moulton Howe told me on this show

2246
01:42:24,510 --> 01:42:21,489
and in private that she was sent the

2247
01:42:28,050 --> 01:42:24,520
negatives that they were shot on 35

2248
01:42:32,490 --> 01:42:28,060
millimeter film your analysis was that

2249
01:42:35,550 --> 01:42:32,500
it was CG and creative illustrations

2250
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:35,560
done with the computer we can't have

2251
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:41,770
both can we yes okay explain okay the

2252
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:44,320
photographs indeed were filmed

2253
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:44,890
photographs

2254
01:43:00,830 --> 01:42:56,800
put in that is to say a composite was

2255
01:43:03,810 --> 01:43:00,840
made and I'm now I'm 35 millimeter film

2256
01:43:06,540 --> 01:43:03,820
well actually when I looked at that

2257
01:43:10,770 --> 01:43:06,550
dragonfly drone all right what I was

2258
01:43:12,630 --> 01:43:10,780
looking at was a actually I call it the

2259
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:12,640
devil was in the dark actually that was

2260
01:43:18,780 --> 01:43:16,210
kind of a the title of my talk I did on

2261
01:43:21,150 --> 01:43:18,790
this actually years ago and we call The

2262
01:43:23,370 --> 01:43:21,160
Devil's in the darkness because when you

2263
01:43:26,250 --> 01:43:23,380
look in the dark shadows of this object

2264
01:43:29,940 --> 01:43:26,260
you could see that the shadows were not

2265
01:43:31,950 --> 01:43:29,950
composed of smooth just smooth light

2266
01:43:36,110 --> 01:43:31,960
degrades off to darkness for instance in

2267
01:43:38,690 --> 01:43:36,120
the shadow it was composed of ever

2268
01:43:43,050 --> 01:43:38,700
decreasing in brightness donuts that

2269
01:43:48,750 --> 01:43:43,060
were all overlaying each other and now

2270
01:43:53,700 --> 01:43:48,760
that I recognize as a digital shadowing

2271
01:43:56,910 --> 01:43:53,710
technique in digital CJ so however Linda

2272
01:43:58,380 --> 01:43:56,920
said she got those images okay and they

2273
01:44:00,150 --> 01:43:58,390
were claimed to have been taken on 35

2274
01:44:04,350 --> 01:44:00,160
millimeter film or whatever with

2275
01:44:06,060 --> 01:44:04,360
negatives I have I think that the one

2276
01:44:09,780 --> 01:44:06,070
she probably got was just something

2277
01:44:13,709 --> 01:44:09,790
was rephotographed all right and from

2278
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:13,719
from a display and it's not uncommon

2279
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:16,480
it's easy to do and fact people often

2280
01:44:23,819 --> 01:44:18,880
will rephotographed the finished product

2281
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:23,829
to hide the artifacts all right and the

2282
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:25,449
trouble is that when you look into the

2283
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:28,239
shadows on this object the all the

2284
01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:30,570
objects every one of these showed it the

2285
01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:34,150
shadows were wrong and I kept saying

2286
01:44:36,660 --> 01:44:35,710
cameras don't work this way light

2287
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:36,670
doesn't work this way

2288
01:44:39,839 --> 01:44:38,560
and they kept saying that to people and

2289
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:39,849
they said well what do you mean and I'll

2290
01:44:43,890 --> 01:44:42,639
tell you there's one photo where you're

2291
01:44:45,660 --> 01:44:43,900
looking straight up and you got

2292
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:45,670
telephone pole wires they're going

2293
01:44:48,959 --> 01:44:47,290
overhead and you see this beyond the

2294
01:44:52,890 --> 01:44:48,969
wires it's a very clever shot right

2295
01:44:55,500 --> 01:44:52,900
right the Sun is just out of frame it's

2296
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:55,510
just out of frame to the right and the

2297
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:00,239
sky is whitish blue okay the object is

2298
01:45:07,220 --> 01:45:04,090
seen on the bottom in all calamity it's

2299
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:07,230
fully visible fully clear in other words

2300
01:45:11,700 --> 01:45:10,210
the person doing this is okay there'll

2301
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:11,710
be some reflected light up underneath

2302
01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:14,560
awesome it'll look real and so they went

2303
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:17,110
that way what they didn't take into

2304
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:19,840
account though is that the camera is not

2305
01:45:23,729 --> 01:45:22,239
going to see the object when it does

2306
01:45:26,339 --> 01:45:23,739
it's light metering it's going to see

2307
01:45:29,010 --> 01:45:26,349
the sky and the Sun which was just

2308
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:29,020
outside the view and it was going to

2309
01:45:34,830 --> 01:45:32,290
make that shot more of a silhouette but

2310
01:45:38,669 --> 01:45:34,840
it wasn't and the fact that it wasn't

2311
01:45:42,060 --> 01:45:38,679
and the sky was still white is blue

2312
01:45:44,430 --> 01:45:42,070
showed that there was a pump from there

2313
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:44,440
there were two types of exposures done

2314
01:45:49,140 --> 01:45:46,090
want to show the bottom of his craft

2315
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:49,150
which was in shadow very quickly and the

2316
01:45:54,300 --> 01:45:51,250
other to keep the sky nice and blue in

2317
01:45:56,700 --> 01:45:54,310
the other areas of the shot and that's

2318
01:45:58,290 --> 01:45:56,710
not how cameras work you know looking at

2319
01:46:02,310 --> 01:45:58,300
the reflections of light off the wires

2320
01:46:04,379 --> 01:46:02,320
and everything those they weren't right

2321
01:46:06,270 --> 01:46:04,389
it was all wrong and that's actually

2322
01:46:09,390 --> 01:46:06,280
what the that was the foundational piece

2323
01:46:11,129 --> 01:46:09,400
and what what cinched it for me you know

2324
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:11,139
that the shadows were wrong obviously

2325
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:15,250
would be the process that they use to

2326
01:46:19,470 --> 01:46:17,110
create shadows among them it's called

2327
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:19,480
global illumination but

2328
01:46:24,630 --> 01:46:22,290
the there's radiosity which is a

2329
01:46:26,610 --> 01:46:24,640
calculation and algorithm that goes

2330
01:46:28,050 --> 01:46:26,620
through every single pixel and

2331
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:28,060
determines what the value is going to be

2332
01:46:35,070 --> 01:46:32,320
based on a sample size you provide and

2333
01:46:36,780 --> 01:46:35,080
if that sample size is too big or too

2334
01:46:40,440 --> 01:46:36,790
small you're going to get artifacts

2335
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:40,450
basically and they had artifacts so it

2336
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:42,370
says to me that they want to rush this

2337
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:44,170
out and they didn't want to take the

2338
01:46:50,910 --> 01:46:46,930
time to actually get the global

2339
01:46:52,650 --> 01:46:50,920
illumination right and so that's what

2340
01:46:56,990 --> 01:46:52,660
they got and that's what they presented

2341
01:46:59,340 --> 01:46:57,000
and they got caught now as far as the

2342
01:47:02,040 --> 01:46:59,350
way the light was on the drone like I

2343
01:47:04,530 --> 01:47:02,050
said from underneath that was showed me

2344
01:47:07,770 --> 01:47:04,540
that they didn't understand as hoaxers

2345
01:47:10,350 --> 01:47:07,780
how the camera works because if they did

2346
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:10,360
it right like I said you would not have

2347
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:12,250
seen all that detail like little clever

2348
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:14,110
writing on the bottom one of the things

2349
01:47:22,979 --> 01:47:17,760
and in my I did a lecture on this drone

2350
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:22,989
in San Jose back in 2008 and for my

2351
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:25,690
lecture I recreated the drone live in

2352
01:47:29,550 --> 01:47:27,130
front of the audience I showed it to him

2353
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:29,560
and I recreated from the start I showed

2354
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:32,170
him how what the tools were in the 3d

2355
01:47:36,450 --> 01:47:34,210
products at the time they could make the

2356
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:36,460
shapes we saw like those vise Pingree

2357
01:47:41,010 --> 01:47:39,010
things in a circular doughnut tourist

2358
01:47:44,100 --> 01:47:41,020
for the center and those long extensions

2359
01:47:45,870 --> 01:47:44,110
out of it they were surprised to see

2360
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:45,880
that the entire drone took about five

2361
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:48,610
minutes to me I remember that and and

2362
01:47:55,740 --> 01:47:52,560
let me just say this all although your

2363
01:47:58,170 --> 01:47:55,750
your side of it and your creation of it

2364
01:48:00,750 --> 01:47:58,180
was really cool and I can only imagine

2365
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:00,760
you know the talent that was behind that

2366
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:05,290
but it was 1/100 of the detail that was

2367
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:08,560
here and it went something right and so

2368
01:48:12,270 --> 01:48:10,360
they had time to play with it and time

2369
01:48:13,770 --> 01:48:12,280
to make it I was doing it in front of

2370
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:13,780
the class right sorry

2371
01:48:16,979 --> 01:48:15,760
I didn't have the time to detail and I

2372
01:48:19,620 --> 01:48:16,989
made that very clear during the talk

2373
01:48:21,330 --> 01:48:19,630
actually I said look I haven't taken the

2374
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:21,340
time to detail it like they did they've

2375
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:23,110
had all the time in the world detail it

2376
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:23,650
right

2377
01:48:27,900 --> 01:48:25,690
I wanted you to convince me you never

2378
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:27,910
pushed me over the fence though I wanted

2379
01:48:32,190 --> 01:48:30,880
you to trust me I did there's a but

2380
01:48:35,970 --> 01:48:32,200
there is one other ask

2381
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:35,980
back to this that I deal with when I

2382
01:48:42,630 --> 01:48:39,130
look at all images and and pretty much

2383
01:48:44,850 --> 01:48:42,640
just like you 99.999 I look at it and I

2384
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:44,860
go yeah whatever right I can tell

2385
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:46,930
immediately out of the gate I depend on

2386
01:48:55,290 --> 01:48:50,050
my eyes with the dragonfly with the

2387
01:48:56,060 --> 01:48:55,300
Dragonfly drone images my eyes are cool

2388
01:48:59,730 --> 01:48:56,070
with it

2389
01:49:00,450 --> 01:48:59,740
they are the shot that you were talking

2390
01:49:03,150 --> 01:49:00,460
about

2391
01:49:05,190 --> 01:49:03,160
I love the telephone pole and when I

2392
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:05,200
read all of your analysis on it I'm

2393
01:49:09,420 --> 01:49:07,330
going back and I'm blowing it up and I'm

2394
01:49:12,090 --> 01:49:09,430
reading what you're saying and I'm going

2395
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:12,100
back to the photograph what you were

2396
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:15,130
saying to me I was seeing the opposite I

2397
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:17,170
was seeing the correct reflection of the

2398
01:49:23,820 --> 01:49:21,970
Sun I was seeing the correct degrading I

2399
01:49:26,190 --> 01:49:23,830
was seeing the dragonfly drone as the

2400
01:49:28,740 --> 01:49:26,200
right color in the background there

2401
01:49:31,410 --> 01:49:28,750
there was one shot if I remember

2402
01:49:34,590 --> 01:49:31,420
correctly one leg of the drone is going

2403
01:49:38,810 --> 01:49:34,600
off behind the telephone pole and I was

2404
01:49:42,900 --> 01:49:38,820
seeing the exact same shading and and

2405
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:42,910
and shadows there to me to my eyes mark

2406
01:49:50,430 --> 01:49:47,170
I was I was truly being fooled my eyes

2407
01:49:53,100 --> 01:49:50,440
never said okay this is not real and

2408
01:49:55,950 --> 01:49:53,110
that's that's where I know and I wanted

2409
01:49:57,180 --> 01:49:55,960
your analysis and what I was seeing in

2410
01:49:58,590 --> 01:49:57,190
the photographs I went back and forth

2411
01:50:02,100 --> 01:49:58,600
back and forth back and forth back and

2412
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:02,110
forth and and I was more on the side of

2413
01:50:08,030 --> 01:50:04,090
the photograph than I was on your

2414
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:08,040
analysis and that that's fair yeah I

2415
01:50:13,770 --> 01:50:11,050
don't have a problem with that but you

2416
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:13,780
know and I think that if I statue if we

2417
01:50:17,460 --> 01:50:15,520
sat down in a room at a conference

2418
01:50:20,220 --> 01:50:17,470
somewhere and we actually did do a full

2419
01:50:22,770 --> 01:50:20,230
all-out reanalysis together you and I

2420
01:50:24,900 --> 01:50:22,780
may bring a crowd of people if we want

2421
01:50:27,180 --> 01:50:24,910
to and we would just talk about it right

2422
01:50:28,830 --> 01:50:27,190
I could probably convince you okay I

2423
01:50:32,270 --> 01:50:28,840
could probably convince you and the

2424
01:50:35,580 --> 01:50:32,280
reason is because I can talk to you and

2425
01:50:38,010 --> 01:50:35,590
specifically about how the camera would

2426
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:38,020
take a picture like this and we would do

2427
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:40,210
it we would actually recreate it

2428
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:42,250
with a camera right there and we would

2429
01:50:45,810 --> 01:50:43,930
set the light meter to the same way that

2430
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:45,820
they had their light meter

2431
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:47,650
and we would actually recreate the

2432
01:50:54,510 --> 01:50:51,130
images to show you how the contrast

2433
01:50:56,850 --> 01:50:54,520
wasn't right for the photo now that just

2434
01:50:58,170 --> 01:50:56,860
that doesn't mean that you don't know

2435
01:51:01,290 --> 01:50:58,180
what you're doing or anything it just

2436
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:01,300
means that you in my view you probably

2437
01:51:04,110 --> 01:51:03,280
have never used a camera this way to

2438
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:04,120
actually

2439
01:51:09,780 --> 01:51:06,850
oh no no doubt no doubt no I do that so

2440
01:51:12,570 --> 01:51:09,790
yeah I've done it because a lot i've

2441
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:12,580
been called upon to analyze photos and

2442
01:51:16,770 --> 01:51:14,770
what i said was well if i'm going to be

2443
01:51:19,470 --> 01:51:16,780
analyzing photos i darn well better

2444
01:51:21,330 --> 01:51:19,480
better know about making mistakes and

2445
01:51:23,670 --> 01:51:21,340
throughout my history taking photos

2446
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:23,680
I actually tallied a muffin I had no

2447
01:51:28,650 --> 01:51:27,130
life I mean I promise I counted the

2448
01:51:31,500 --> 01:51:28,660
number of photos I've taken in my life

2449
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:31,510
I've gotten close to just over a million

2450
01:51:35,729 --> 01:51:33,730
photos I actually taken right can't

2451
01:51:37,410 --> 01:51:35,739
believe that right now obviously the

2452
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:37,420
digital world helped bump that number up

2453
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:40,090
but it never became more clear than when

2454
01:51:44,250 --> 01:51:42,400
I went on a cruise to Bermuda so so a

2455
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:44,260
couple years ago EXE did have a life for

2456
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:47,770
a week um on that cruise on the way back

2457
01:51:51,870 --> 01:51:49,690
from the cruise I'm taking a picture of

2458
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:51,880
the sky out on the deck because that's

2459
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:53,650
what I do I'm crazy you gotta be outside

2460
01:51:58,820 --> 01:51:57,010
of the camera all the time I took a

2461
01:52:01,920 --> 01:51:58,830
picture I heard this loud explosion boom

2462
01:52:04,290 --> 01:52:01,930
it was the camera exploding inside you

2463
01:52:07,740 --> 01:52:04,300
know I blew it up I blew the camera up

2464
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:07,750
and this was a nice nikon camera and in

2465
01:52:11,670 --> 01:52:09,850
the shutter system inside just said I'm

2466
01:52:13,740 --> 01:52:11,680
done I can't take any more photos and

2467
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:13,750
just it just obliterated itself and I

2468
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:15,280
heard all these little tiny pieces of

2469
01:52:19,620 --> 01:52:17,890
metal inside shaking around like what I

2470
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:19,630
didn't do like blowing the transmission

2471
01:52:23,610 --> 01:52:21,250
on your car and I'm hearing a jingle of

2472
01:52:25,890 --> 01:52:23,620
stuff inside your car you know it's like

2473
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:25,900
oh that was horrible

2474
01:52:31,140 --> 01:52:29,050
and I realized I am just taking so many

2475
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:31,150
pictures I just blew up my professional

2476
01:52:36,450 --> 01:52:34,330
Nikon camera right so I had to go and

2477
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:36,460
pay hundreds of dollars hundreds of

2478
01:52:40,110 --> 01:52:39,010
dollars to get that repaired and now

2479
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:40,120
it's in the closet because I have

2480
01:52:43,050 --> 01:52:41,410
another camera that I'm going to you

2481
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:43,060
know that I got without a shudder so

2482
01:52:48,540 --> 01:52:45,250
that I no longer have a mechanical issue

2483
01:52:51,210 --> 01:52:48,550
with that so now the camera I use no

2484
01:52:53,610 --> 01:52:51,220
longer has that problem and by the way

2485
01:52:56,910 --> 01:52:53,620
that's a camera I think you want because

2486
01:52:59,610 --> 01:52:56,920
it goes in sensitivity from fifty to

2487
01:53:02,700 --> 01:52:59,620
four hundred thousand ISO

2488
01:53:05,850 --> 01:53:02,710
okay and it turns night in today and it

2489
01:53:09,300 --> 01:53:05,860
gives you full color like ambient light

2490
01:53:10,650 --> 01:53:09,310
intensification and it's a standard

2491
01:53:13,500 --> 01:53:10,660
camera I use it for my astronomy

2492
01:53:15,780 --> 01:53:13,510
livestream so we see faint objects yes

2493
01:53:18,090 --> 01:53:15,790
in two seconds that would otherwise take

2494
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:18,100
five minutes to capture yeah right right

2495
01:53:23,130 --> 01:53:20,650
big beautiful but you have to have a

2496
01:53:24,540 --> 01:53:23,140
tripod for that though for sure it's

2497
01:53:27,180 --> 01:53:24,550
going to go perfectly still

2498
01:53:29,190 --> 01:53:27,190
that's the point with a camera that has

2499
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:29,200
that kind of speed right well yeah for

2500
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:30,490
one or two seconds reps a great sorry

2501
01:53:36,450 --> 01:53:33,280
sorry yeah but at for one or two seconds

2502
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:36,460
though you will but it you can take a

2503
01:53:42,660 --> 01:53:39,760
picture at a sixtieth all right at two

2504
01:53:45,090 --> 01:53:42,670
hundred and fifty six thousand and still

2505
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:45,100
have a fairly illuminated scene Wow you

2506
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:47,050
know and again you go wow that's that's

2507
01:53:50,580 --> 01:53:49,090
pretty cool taking a snapshot at night

2508
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:50,590
and getting it to be focused that that's

2509
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:51,280
crazy

2510
01:53:55,470 --> 01:53:53,050
yeah yeah that's what that's what

2511
01:53:58,140 --> 01:53:55,480
technology is going Jim and for me I

2512
01:54:00,030 --> 01:53:58,150
think that this is a camera everybody

2513
01:54:02,700 --> 01:54:00,040
needs everybody do you think so and you

2514
01:54:05,790 --> 01:54:02,710
know on our live streams no rice banded

2515
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:05,800
together with Bill New York Sky Watcher

2516
01:54:11,550 --> 01:54:08,800
and P&K face imaging and me and we have

2517
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:11,560
a website called astral imaging live.com

2518
01:54:16,500 --> 01:54:14,050
you can see our streams all the time you

2519
01:54:19,620 --> 01:54:16,510
can see pick up anyone you want go into

2520
01:54:22,140 --> 01:54:19,630
one talk to us in the chat you know and

2521
01:54:24,030 --> 01:54:22,150
this you know two of us have these

2522
01:54:25,650 --> 01:54:24,040
cameras and now you're going to try and

2523
01:54:26,910 --> 01:54:25,660
convince the third one to get the camera

2524
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:26,920
so they can actually do these cool

2525
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:29,050
things too because you know this is this

2526
01:54:31,890 --> 01:54:30,490
is where it's going man this is where

2527
01:54:34,590 --> 01:54:31,900
it's going this is astronomy for the

2528
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:34,600
masses and this is being able to see the

2529
01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:37,840
did in the into the dark you know

2530
01:54:40,410 --> 01:54:38,860
because that's what we're doing as

2531
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:40,420
humans trying to peer in the dark all

2532
01:54:44,450 --> 01:54:42,610
the time so what try and do like we did

2533
01:54:47,340 --> 01:54:44,460
in the case when we're in the on cage

2534
01:54:50,010 --> 01:54:47,350
well not in the dark before we hit this

2535
01:54:52,020 --> 01:54:50,020
break there's one other thing about the

2536
01:54:54,690 --> 01:54:52,030
Dragonfly drones that I want to address

2537
01:54:57,660 --> 01:54:54,700
two and that is carrot and the carrot

2538
01:54:59,610 --> 01:54:57,670
documents and I was going to ask about

2539
01:55:01,770 --> 01:54:59,620
that too if you didn't write and all of

2540
01:55:06,090 --> 01:55:01,780
the images of those objects that are

2541
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:06,100
there and the the code if you will the

2542
01:55:11,130 --> 01:55:08,610
software that was involved allegedly

2543
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:11,140
with the script that was on the outside

2544
01:55:16,660 --> 01:55:12,800
of these that that

2545
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:16,670
again allegedly caused Lobby antigravity

2546
01:55:24,730 --> 01:55:21,250
to happen now if this is a hoax it's

2547
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:24,740
definitely way elaborate and back then

2548
01:55:31,420 --> 01:55:29,360
this kind of work before you know now

2549
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:31,430
we're back like before PageMaker

2550
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:34,880
right we're dealing with some old ways

2551
01:55:43,210 --> 01:55:40,000
to do to writing reproduction and

2552
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:43,220
illustration that was very complex and

2553
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:46,250
very technical to do before software was

2554
01:55:52,090 --> 01:55:50,210
even around well yes and no and I'll

2555
01:55:53,950 --> 01:55:52,100
tell you why when we when you look at

2556
01:55:55,570 --> 01:55:53,960
the carrot there was a lot of photos

2557
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:55,580
with that carrot with it with a care of

2558
01:56:01,840 --> 01:55:57,440
documents one of them purported to show

2559
01:56:04,930 --> 01:56:01,850
an object with some anti-gravity in

2560
01:56:07,930 --> 01:56:04,940
effect with some objects around it

2561
01:56:10,930 --> 01:56:07,940
and when I analyzed that I realized oh

2562
01:56:13,930 --> 01:56:10,940
wow this is just white room CG now what

2563
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:13,940
that means is when when we want to show

2564
01:56:18,460 --> 01:56:16,490
an object in CG and we want to get a

2565
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:18,470
good idea of its texture and how it

2566
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:20,450
looks we have something called a white

2567
01:56:24,340 --> 01:56:22,370
room and we create it's an artificial

2568
01:56:25,930 --> 01:56:24,350
room it's basically think of it as being

2569
01:56:27,370 --> 01:56:25,940
taking an object you want to photograph

2570
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:27,380
and putting it inside a big sphere

2571
01:56:31,870 --> 01:56:29,570
that's white and you're in there with

2572
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:31,880
the camera taking a picture of it okay

2573
01:56:38,070 --> 01:56:34,400
that's kind of the basis for the white

2574
01:56:41,260 --> 01:56:38,080
room and I recognize white room global

2575
01:56:43,630 --> 01:56:41,270
illumination going on there and I

2576
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:43,640
thought what they did the photo they're

2577
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:45,770
showing would actually be very hard to

2578
01:56:51,730 --> 01:56:48,410
achieve in actuality there would always

2579
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:51,740
be some kind of secondary reflection

2580
01:56:56,410 --> 01:56:54,170
there would be some kind of unevenness

2581
01:56:59,110 --> 01:56:56,420
to the light and in the photo there

2582
01:57:00,970 --> 01:56:59,120
wasn't so what I looked at it I thought

2583
01:57:02,890 --> 01:57:00,980
this is the white room and so of course

2584
01:57:04,780 --> 01:57:02,900
I proceeded to make a white room in my

2585
01:57:07,570 --> 01:57:04,790
digital CG project I had a state of the

2586
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:07,580
art product for the day that I was using

2587
01:57:10,510 --> 01:57:09,290
as well or else you know who want to

2588
01:57:11,860 --> 01:57:10,520
make these kind of pronouncements I'm

2589
01:57:13,570 --> 01:57:11,870
not going to make a pronouncement about

2590
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:13,580
it if I don't understand the technology

2591
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:17,210
as fully as I could so I had one and I

2592
01:57:20,470 --> 01:57:18,800
did that work I still did that work

2593
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:20,480
every month I do CG work all the time

2594
01:57:26,140 --> 01:57:23,360
for people was a side process to what I

2595
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:26,150
do and you know this was a

2596
01:57:34,390 --> 01:57:29,810
a clear white room photo now white room

2597
01:57:36,370 --> 01:57:34,400
CG it's called a CG studio basically and

2598
01:57:40,750 --> 01:57:36,380
you know we all have them we all make

2599
01:57:43,270 --> 01:57:40,760
these particular setups with lights and

2600
01:57:45,100 --> 01:57:43,280
then we actually have these reflectors

2601
01:57:46,419 --> 01:57:45,110
like the umbrella the photographer's

2602
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:46,429
Silver's umbrella that reflects the

2603
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:47,810
light back into the face to give us a

2604
01:57:53,290 --> 01:57:50,090
back light so it's not a stark sharp

2605
01:57:56,050 --> 01:57:53,300
contrast image okay things like that but

2606
01:57:58,990 --> 01:57:56,060
to do that in the CG world as well and

2607
01:58:01,360 --> 01:57:59,000
as long as you you manage the light

2608
01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:01,370
properly and use this global

2609
01:58:08,290 --> 01:58:04,130
illumination process then you will

2610
01:58:11,790 --> 01:58:08,300
actually get a very nice very rounded

2611
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:11,800
very very real

2612
01:58:17,919 --> 01:58:16,370
undetectable from being real object and

2613
01:58:19,810 --> 01:58:17,929
that's the thing I can show you

2614
01:58:21,250 --> 01:58:19,820
something I've made that you know you'll

2615
01:58:23,439 --> 01:58:21,260
you'll think for instance that there's

2616
01:58:26,770 --> 01:58:23,449
this little plastic toy submarine that I

2617
01:58:30,270 --> 01:58:26,780
did is a photograph but it's actually

2618
01:58:32,260 --> 01:58:30,280
not I just made sure that the plastic

2619
01:58:34,180 --> 01:58:32,270
reflected light the way it really does

2620
01:58:35,919 --> 01:58:34,190
you know so we got to take a break right

2621
01:58:38,410 --> 01:58:35,929
yeah we got to take a break right here

2622
01:58:40,300 --> 01:58:38,420
mark and we'll pick this up when we come

2623
01:58:41,919 --> 01:58:40,310
back got questions about the

2624
01:58:44,740 --> 01:58:41,929
moon-landing - and you've got a

2625
01:58:47,410 --> 01:58:44,750
telescope yeah do that when we come back

2626
01:58:49,300 --> 01:58:47,420
I guess tonight Mark Dantonio me rose to

2627
01:58:51,380 --> 01:58:49,310
be church this is fade to black

2628
01:58:56,030 --> 01:58:51,390
stay with us

2629
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:56,040
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2630
01:59:02,149 --> 01:58:57,040
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2631
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2632
01:59:10,879 --> 01:59:06,699
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2633
01:59:15,419 --> 01:59:10,889
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2634
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:15,429
total this my popular opinion reading a

2635
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book will not make you smarter so you

2636
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2637
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2639
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2640
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2641
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02:03:05,090 --> 02:03:01,950
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02:03:36,990 --> 02:03:34,600
Dantonio now mark before we move on to

2717
02:03:39,660 --> 02:03:37,000
exoplanets we're just talking about the

2718
02:03:44,310 --> 02:03:39,670
Dragonfly drones and carrot the one

2719
02:03:46,020 --> 02:03:44,320
thing first off I just convinced my eyes

2720
02:03:49,110 --> 02:03:46,030
say that there was something magical

2721
02:03:51,660 --> 02:03:49,120
captured here I'm not sure what it is

2722
02:03:55,260 --> 02:03:51,670
that's my opinion but the other thing

2723
02:03:56,970 --> 02:03:55,270
for me is nobody's been busted in this

2724
02:03:58,920 --> 02:03:56,980
hoax you would have thought that

2725
02:04:00,810 --> 02:03:58,930
somebody would have called you know some

2726
02:04:04,170 --> 02:04:00,820
disgruntled girlfriend you know my

2727
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:04,180
boyfriend did this in his bedroom and we

2728
02:04:08,850 --> 02:04:06,610
have that Plus these apparently were

2729
02:04:11,100 --> 02:04:08,860
taken at different sections around the

2730
02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:11,110
country this didn't happen just at once

2731
02:04:16,770 --> 02:04:13,360
it happened over a length of time and

2732
02:04:18,780 --> 02:04:16,780
the the carrot aspect of it seemed to be

2733
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:18,790
like a little bit separate and wasn't

2734
02:04:24,690 --> 02:04:20,530
actually part of the dragon fly drones

2735
02:04:26,730 --> 02:04:24,700
until much later so why hasn't somebody

2736
02:04:30,180 --> 02:04:26,740
been busted in this hoax or have you

2737
02:04:31,500 --> 02:04:30,190
gotten close to that I think this other

2738
02:04:33,390 --> 02:04:31,510
reason it's always been busted is

2739
02:04:35,130 --> 02:04:33,400
because it didn't do what was intended

2740
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:35,140
it didn't actually get enough traction

2741
02:04:43,470 --> 02:04:39,730
in their hoax world to cause people to

2742
02:04:46,920 --> 02:04:43,480
lose money on a hoax and thus level a

2743
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:46,930
lawsuit or take them to task for it it

2744
02:04:50,970 --> 02:04:48,970
was viewed as a silly thing and no one

2745
02:04:53,610 --> 02:04:50,980
actually actually ended up taking it in

2746
02:04:56,610 --> 02:04:53,620
the vein of we're going to prosecute

2747
02:04:58,710 --> 02:04:56,620
because it wasn't in my view it wasn't

2748
02:05:01,140 --> 02:04:58,720
something worth prosecuting it was just

2749
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:01,150
a hoax

2750
02:05:06,120 --> 02:05:03,250
just like we won't look at hoaxes on

2751
02:05:07,890 --> 02:05:06,130
YouTube all the time but just for me it

2752
02:05:10,740 --> 02:05:07,900
was different though we had pages and

2753
02:05:12,419 --> 02:05:10,750
pages of well-written documents and

2754
02:05:15,660 --> 02:05:12,429
typesetting and

2755
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:15,670
and and writing and of course then you

2756
02:05:22,110 --> 02:05:18,510
have the other aspect of somebody was

2757
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:22,120
you know building these models in CG and

2758
02:05:28,830 --> 02:05:25,570
and creating these series of photographs

2759
02:05:31,709 --> 02:05:28,840
over the trees and and it wasn't that

2760
02:05:35,550 --> 02:05:31,719
the telephone pole one was just one of a

2761
02:05:38,189 --> 02:05:35,560
series of shots very very very elaborate

2762
02:05:40,950 --> 02:05:38,199
and time-consuming that would you know

2763
02:05:43,680 --> 02:05:40,960
potentially especially back then take a

2764
02:05:48,330 --> 02:05:43,690
year or two to put this entire thing

2765
02:05:51,419 --> 02:05:48,340
together why do it you know I because

2766
02:05:54,300 --> 02:05:51,429
the the end of the day if you're

2767
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:54,310
successful in getting two million people

2768
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:57,280
to think that this thing was coming in

2769
02:06:03,209 --> 02:06:00,400
over the pine trees in lake tahoe okay

2770
02:06:07,020 --> 02:06:03,219
or you were you were successful in

2771
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:07,030
getting enough people to believe that

2772
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:11,440
that this carrot program was real you

2773
02:06:14,580 --> 02:06:13,090
know you get a personal satisfaction for

2774
02:06:17,850 --> 02:06:14,590
that why do hoaxers do anything that

2775
02:06:20,459 --> 02:06:17,860
they do you know it's hard to say and i

2776
02:06:22,830 --> 02:06:20,469
don't know what what mental imbalance

2777
02:06:24,750 --> 02:06:22,840
for instance a person has to reach

2778
02:06:28,410 --> 02:06:24,760
before they decide I'm going to do

2779
02:06:32,970 --> 02:06:28,420
hoaxing asked Billy Meyer you know when

2780
02:06:35,340 --> 02:06:32,980
did he decide to do the hoaxing part of

2781
02:06:38,580 --> 02:06:35,350
this and when did he decide that he had

2782
02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:38,590
to okay and this may also be

2783
02:06:43,649 --> 02:06:40,090
controversial for some of your folks but

2784
02:06:45,930 --> 02:06:43,659
when did stand enrollment at the side he

2785
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:45,940
had to start faking things to make it

2786
02:06:52,370 --> 02:06:48,480
look real did he have a real experience

2787
02:06:56,550 --> 02:06:52,380
everything that he did in recent years

2788
02:06:58,830 --> 02:06:56,560
tends to put cast doubt on it now no I

2789
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:58,840
caught him slinging a USB Drive at his

2790
02:07:01,979 --> 02:07:00,400
head I caught him flinging a pen in his

2791
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:01,989
head when he was doing a Skype interview

2792
02:07:06,180 --> 02:07:03,730
with an Australian guy for instance I

2793
02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:06,190
know and I caught him preparing a voice

2794
02:07:12,630 --> 02:07:09,730
machine when he was on a radio show with

2795
02:07:14,820 --> 02:07:12,640
Alejandro Rojas and I heard it saying

2796
02:07:16,740 --> 02:07:14,830
you had better really you better really

2797
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:16,750
and I was like what's that and then nine

2798
02:07:20,939 --> 02:07:18,610
minutes later I found out because while

2799
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:20,949
Alejandro was talking I heard you better

2800
02:07:25,670 --> 02:07:22,480
really learn to keep your mouth shut

2801
02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:25,680
and I went oh I can't believe it he was

2802
02:07:29,480 --> 02:07:27,360
perronnette while Alejandro was doing a

2803
02:07:31,610 --> 02:07:29,490
public service announcement and he does

2804
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:31,620
his mic was off you know and so I

2805
02:07:34,850 --> 02:07:33,030
published that I published the other

2806
02:07:36,440 --> 02:07:34,860
thing I saw I wasn't the only one that

2807
02:07:38,590 --> 02:07:36,450
found these things for a lot of people

2808
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:38,600
probably think so why do people do that

2809
02:07:44,540 --> 02:07:40,890
why did they damage their credibility

2810
02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:44,550
why do they feel the need to keep keep

2811
02:07:49,850 --> 02:07:46,290
something rollin why can't we just say

2812
02:07:50,630 --> 02:07:49,860
ah you know you might have seen an alien

2813
02:07:53,900 --> 02:07:50,640
okay

2814
02:07:56,030 --> 02:07:53,910
but why why do you reach a point where

2815
02:07:58,250 --> 02:07:56,040
you then have to fake it what drives

2816
02:08:00,260 --> 02:07:58,260
someone to that point that's very

2817
02:08:02,630 --> 02:08:00,270
interesting to me I'd like to know what

2818
02:08:04,420 --> 02:08:02,640
drove Billy Myers at that point I'd like

2819
02:08:07,310 --> 02:08:04,430
to know what drove stands at that point

2820
02:08:09,410 --> 02:08:07,320
you know and sometimes people just do it

2821
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:09,420
for fun you know and then it gets

2822
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:10,800
trashed and then you got to stick to it

2823
02:08:14,660 --> 02:08:12,210
because oh boy no they found my heart

2824
02:08:16,340 --> 02:08:14,670
better keep the story up you know

2825
02:08:18,740 --> 02:08:16,350
because they found out it was it was

2826
02:08:21,560 --> 02:08:18,750
know that you know it's fake but then a

2827
02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:21,570
gain traction no nationwide story yeah

2828
02:08:26,540 --> 02:08:24,450
yeah all the UFOs over my barn yeah well

2829
02:08:29,690 --> 02:08:26,550
now you're stuck with it yeah well and

2830
02:08:33,710 --> 02:08:29,700
what okay so it's talking about hoaxes

2831
02:08:36,530 --> 02:08:33,720
then we have Apollo now as you have

2832
02:08:40,940 --> 02:08:36,540
looked at all of this photo analysis and

2833
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:40,950
video analysis over the years what do

2834
02:08:46,790 --> 02:08:43,440
you think about that datum first off did

2835
02:08:49,070 --> 02:08:46,800
we go to the moon I actually do believe

2836
02:08:51,770 --> 02:08:49,080
in in fact on NASA's unexplained files I

2837
02:08:54,670 --> 02:08:51,780
can't remember if it's eaten one or two

2838
02:08:59,120 --> 02:08:54,680
I actually they tasked me with saying

2839
02:09:02,480 --> 02:08:59,130
can you show us why the people to say we

2840
02:09:05,810 --> 02:09:02,490
didn't go to the moon are wrong I said I

2841
02:09:09,220 --> 02:09:05,820
can give you my evidence yes and that

2842
02:09:14,690 --> 02:09:09,230
took me down a path right I literally

2843
02:09:17,090 --> 02:09:14,700
created lunar soil from studying it and

2844
02:09:19,250 --> 02:09:17,100
studying the its its actual properties

2845
02:09:22,070 --> 02:09:19,260
the static properties and selected

2846
02:09:25,550 --> 02:09:22,080
properties and its glassy properties

2847
02:09:27,530 --> 02:09:25,560
actually recreated lunar soil and and it

2848
02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:27,540
took me about a couple months it's

2849
02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:29,250
actually recreated vat of it and and

2850
02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:31,890
when I did it did all the same clumping

2851
02:09:36,770 --> 02:09:33,570
and everything so I was able to show how

2852
02:09:38,090 --> 02:09:36,780
lunar soil acts for one thing and

2853
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:38,100
because there are a lot of things on the

2854
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:39,570
moon that people say look this is

2855
02:09:45,140 --> 02:09:42,330
arched you know bridge over a canyon is

2856
02:09:46,930 --> 02:09:45,150
amazing you know and I showed them my

2857
02:09:49,610 --> 02:09:46,940
lunar soil setup how that was actually

2858
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:49,620
two valleys next to each other and the

2859
02:09:52,490 --> 02:09:50,970
central ridge between them was just

2860
02:09:56,330 --> 02:09:52,500
illuminated by a low angle Sun and

2861
02:09:59,210 --> 02:09:56,340
because of the lack of you know HDR

2862
02:10:01,460 --> 02:09:59,220
photography HDR photography in those

2863
02:10:03,650 --> 02:10:01,470
days we had very sharp contrast between

2864
02:10:05,630 --> 02:10:03,660
the moon and the shadows and the shadows

2865
02:10:07,700 --> 02:10:05,640
were lost there was nothing in the

2866
02:10:09,980 --> 02:10:07,710
shadows to see so there was no data

2867
02:10:12,200 --> 02:10:09,990
there to show it was actually a valley

2868
02:10:15,710 --> 02:10:12,210
so it's all supposition well what about

2869
02:10:19,010 --> 02:10:15,720
what you have a very powerful telescope

2870
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:19,020
right yes can you can you see the lunar

2871
02:10:23,900 --> 02:10:22,560
lander front with your telescope no and

2872
02:10:25,490 --> 02:10:23,910
the Hubble telescope couldn't even do it

2873
02:10:29,090 --> 02:10:25,500
either and the reason for that is

2874
02:10:30,620 --> 02:10:29,100
because it has a matter of scale the

2875
02:10:32,630 --> 02:10:30,630
Hubble telescope princess let's take

2876
02:10:35,240 --> 02:10:32,640
that you'll see things in the pixel

2877
02:10:38,030 --> 02:10:35,250
range you know when you look at but when

2878
02:10:40,130 --> 02:10:38,040
you look at the moon landing sites the

2879
02:10:42,940 --> 02:10:40,140
site of a lunar landing would fall well

2880
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:42,950
within the range of a single pixel and

2881
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:45,840
you know in other words a single pixel

2882
02:10:52,390 --> 02:10:48,810
would show much of that landing site at

2883
02:10:58,100 --> 02:10:52,400
this distance and scale so it's not

2884
02:10:59,300 --> 02:10:58,110
practical or possible to show the lunar

2885
02:11:01,640 --> 02:10:59,310
landing sites with the most powerful

2886
02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:01,650
pulse which we have at the moment we do

2887
02:11:05,150 --> 02:11:03,330
however see the landing sites in all

2888
02:11:08,420 --> 02:11:05,160
clarity with the Lunar Reconnaissance

2889
02:11:11,960 --> 02:11:08,430
Orbiter and you know your listeners knew

2890
02:11:14,240 --> 02:11:11,970
in fact go to look up the LRO Lunar

2891
02:11:16,690 --> 02:11:14,250
Reconnaissance Orbiter quick map you

2892
02:11:18,710 --> 02:11:16,700
know all one word LRO quick map and

2893
02:11:20,810 --> 02:11:18,720
there's an image of the moon that comes

2894
02:11:22,180 --> 02:11:20,820
up and you're free to go navigating and

2895
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:22,190
you can just scroll in with the mouse

2896
02:11:31,340 --> 02:11:27,530
right down to five meters per pixel of

2897
02:11:33,050 --> 02:11:31,350
scale in many places so when you scroll

2898
02:11:35,780 --> 02:11:33,060
into the Apollo landing sites you see

2899
02:11:37,490 --> 02:11:35,790
the trails made by the lunar Rovers you

2900
02:11:39,770 --> 02:11:37,500
see the descent stage you see the owl

2901
02:11:43,850 --> 02:11:39,780
set experiments on the moon you actually

2902
02:11:46,340 --> 02:11:43,860
see the the objects that were said to be

2903
02:11:48,980 --> 02:11:46,350
there all alone and that's the thing

2904
02:11:51,140 --> 02:11:48,990
that I think is really important as we

2905
02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:51,150
get better technology we can do this now

2906
02:11:56,060 --> 02:11:53,370
people are always going to say

2907
02:11:59,900 --> 02:11:56,070
well let's just all think data to one

2908
02:12:02,060 --> 02:11:59,910
end it's one end well yeah I understand

2909
02:12:04,160 --> 02:12:02,070
no endgame here but I understand that

2910
02:12:07,010 --> 02:12:04,170
part of it but what I'm confused well I

2911
02:12:10,850 --> 02:12:07,020
have a hundred things I could list right

2912
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:10,860
now where I have issues with but the and

2913
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:15,330
I'm not let me say this I went through

2914
02:12:20,510 --> 02:12:18,000
just like you I was a child of the 60s I

2915
02:12:23,240 --> 02:12:20,520
had my favorite astronaut I had you know

2916
02:12:28,550 --> 02:12:23,250
everybody wanted to do we were all team

2917
02:12:31,490 --> 02:12:28,560
Apollo I get that Gemini mercury I had a

2918
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:31,500
million drawings that I did I was fully

2919
02:12:36,830 --> 02:12:34,800
engaged but what I know now as an adult

2920
02:12:39,710 --> 02:12:36,840
with our technology from back then with

2921
02:12:43,250 --> 02:12:39,720
what we have now today I don't know how

2922
02:12:46,490 --> 02:12:43,260
the hell we even got there but that's

2923
02:12:49,010 --> 02:12:46,500
the truth - that was magic but with

2924
02:12:50,750 --> 02:12:49,020
Hubble and with the telescopes that we

2925
02:12:54,700 --> 02:12:50,760
have today but with the Hubble that can

2926
02:12:58,250 --> 02:12:54,710
see distant galaxies by the by the

2927
02:13:00,620 --> 02:12:58,260
bazillion and why can't we have these

2928
02:13:02,530 --> 02:13:00,630
high-res photographs of the moon I mean

2929
02:13:05,390 --> 02:13:02,540
that would be these extraordinary

2930
02:13:07,900 --> 02:13:05,400
photographs why don't we have that today

2931
02:13:10,760 --> 02:13:07,910
I don't I don't get the excuses well

2932
02:13:12,620 --> 02:13:10,770
here's the thing it doesn't matter if

2933
02:13:13,400 --> 02:13:12,630
we're looking at the moon or a distant

2934
02:13:15,230 --> 02:13:13,410
end of the universe

2935
02:13:17,420 --> 02:13:15,240
the Hubble only has a certain resolution

2936
02:13:19,790 --> 02:13:17,430
no matter what so the Hubble Space

2937
02:13:22,330 --> 02:13:19,800
Telescope isn't going to be able to put

2938
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:22,340
detail within one pixel of its sensor

2939
02:13:27,470 --> 02:13:25,530
that's there if it's not there that that

2940
02:13:32,690 --> 02:13:27,480
goes for galaxies that goes for Apollo

2941
02:13:34,670 --> 02:13:32,700
no Landers okay and Earth we can't

2942
02:13:38,270 --> 02:13:34,680
possibly see that because the

2943
02:13:41,780 --> 02:13:38,280
atmospheric distortion is so bad we

2944
02:13:43,310 --> 02:13:41,790
can't even get close we reacted even way

2945
02:13:45,170 --> 02:13:43,320
the only possible way we could ever do

2946
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:45,180
it is from space and then again the only

2947
02:13:49,400 --> 02:13:47,760
possible way we could do it again is in

2948
02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:49,410
orbit around the moon itself which is

2949
02:13:54,380 --> 02:13:51,450
how we had to do it which is why we see

2950
02:13:55,970 --> 02:13:54,390
it um so you know this I know that

2951
02:13:57,710 --> 02:13:55,980
there's a lot of objections people say

2952
02:13:59,360 --> 02:13:57,720
you know well the shadows are going the

2953
02:14:01,100 --> 02:13:59,370
wrong way actually they're not I

2954
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:01,110
actually built a moon

2955
02:14:06,919 --> 02:14:03,690
I built a lunar surface here in my shop

2956
02:14:09,919 --> 02:14:06,929
and I got a light from the sound

2957
02:14:12,830 --> 02:14:09,929
jump at the studio I put it at the end

2958
02:14:14,299 --> 02:14:12,840
of the studio in my studio and had the

2959
02:14:17,270 --> 02:14:14,309
light falling on the craters at a low

2960
02:14:19,489 --> 02:14:17,280
angle just like the Apollo mission and I

2961
02:14:21,169 --> 02:14:19,499
showed the light in the craters where

2962
02:14:25,549 --> 02:14:21,179
the astronauts which I also had and the

2963
02:14:28,310 --> 02:14:25,559
lunar module which I had full detail and

2964
02:14:30,169 --> 02:14:28,320
actually showed how the light was going

2965
02:14:32,959 --> 02:14:30,179
all the wrong way and it was just one

2966
02:14:36,759 --> 02:14:32,969
light so what we just proved though is

2967
02:14:41,209 --> 02:14:36,769
that we could shoot here on earth and we

2968
02:14:43,810 --> 02:14:41,219
didn't actually go to the moon what I

2969
02:14:45,979 --> 02:14:43,820
know you think you're clever with that

2970
02:14:48,290 --> 02:14:45,989
okay and I knew you were going to go

2971
02:14:51,290 --> 02:14:48,300
down that path right ready for you right

2972
02:14:54,379 --> 02:14:51,300
we'll find out okay because the fact is

2973
02:14:58,189 --> 02:14:54,389
yes we could create very convincing

2974
02:15:01,879 --> 02:14:58,199
lunar photography but at the time of

2975
02:15:05,449 --> 02:15:01,889
Apollo we didn't have the technology to

2976
02:15:08,839 --> 02:15:05,459
create what we saw when we saw the

2977
02:15:11,359 --> 02:15:08,849
astronauts in weightless conditions we

2978
02:15:14,929 --> 02:15:11,369
didn't have the ability for instance to

2979
02:15:18,229 --> 02:15:14,939
create the dust flying off their feet on

2980
02:15:22,189 --> 02:15:18,239
the moon in one-sixth gravity in exactly

2981
02:15:24,919 --> 02:15:22,199
the right trajectory distance and fall

2982
02:15:26,839 --> 02:15:24,929
rate that would be in one-sixth gravity

2983
02:15:29,810 --> 02:15:26,849
and it's not a matter of just going into

2984
02:15:32,120 --> 02:15:29,820
slow motion it's a matter of this debris

2985
02:15:34,189 --> 02:15:32,130
that they kicked through their feet goes

2986
02:15:37,819 --> 02:15:34,199
up a certain distance on the earth and

2987
02:15:41,359 --> 02:15:37,829
falls down on the moon it goes up six

2988
02:15:43,250 --> 02:15:41,369
times higher and falls down and it did

2989
02:15:44,810 --> 02:15:43,260
that on the moon it didn't do that on

2990
02:15:47,179 --> 02:15:44,820
the earth and if they recorded it on the

2991
02:15:49,640 --> 02:15:47,189
earth and did it on the earth

2992
02:15:51,140 --> 02:15:49,650
look out okay it would have been obvious

2993
02:15:52,850 --> 02:15:51,150
because you would have seen that and it

2994
02:15:54,049 --> 02:15:52,860
didn't it acted just like on the moon

2995
02:15:56,509 --> 02:15:54,059
but where could you see that the best

2996
02:15:58,219 --> 02:15:56,519
with a lunar rover when the lunar rover

2997
02:16:01,429 --> 02:15:58,229
was driving around it kicked up rooster

2998
02:16:03,770 --> 02:16:01,439
tails remember that yes I do

2999
02:16:06,020 --> 02:16:03,780
those rooster tails right those were the

3000
02:16:08,209 --> 02:16:06,030
tails no matter how light the material

3001
02:16:09,949 --> 02:16:08,219
might be those rooster tails wouldn't

3002
02:16:12,109 --> 02:16:09,959
exist in the same exact way on the earth

3003
02:16:14,929 --> 02:16:12,119
the trajectory they followed the ball

3004
02:16:18,290 --> 02:16:14,939
rate everything matched 1/6 earth

3005
02:16:20,180 --> 02:16:18,300
gravity there was no technology back

3006
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:20,190
then to do that

3007
02:16:26,990 --> 02:16:22,650
so I mean in a sense I don't have to go

3008
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:27,000
much farther but I will when the

3009
02:16:30,860 --> 02:16:29,010
argument that said we couldn't get out

3010
02:16:32,840 --> 02:16:30,870
of going to outer space because of the

3011
02:16:35,930 --> 02:16:32,850
Van Allen radiation belts and people say

3012
02:16:37,520 --> 02:16:35,940
that actually that's not true if that

3013
02:16:39,500 --> 02:16:37,530
was the case then we could never have

3014
02:16:41,780 --> 02:16:39,510
sent any probes out of the Earth's

3015
02:16:43,850 --> 02:16:41,790
atmosphere they would have been fried by

3016
02:16:45,620 --> 02:16:43,860
radiation but we've landed on Mars

3017
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:45,630
several times we went by Pluto just

3018
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:46,800
recently with New Horizons

3019
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:48,960
we've got Cassini and Jupiter I'm sorry

3020
02:16:55,160 --> 02:16:50,880
Saturn we've got Juno with Jupiter and

3021
02:16:57,440 --> 02:16:55,170
we landed a little probe on an asteroid

3022
02:16:59,540 --> 02:16:57,450
from rosetta mission I'm sorry to

3023
02:17:03,770 --> 02:16:59,550
comment and we also you know have been

3024
02:17:06,110 --> 02:17:03,780
on Titan with the Huygens probe so how

3025
02:17:07,430 --> 02:17:06,120
could that happen if the radiation

3026
02:17:09,860 --> 02:17:07,440
wasn't affecting it and you'll say oh

3027
02:17:13,850 --> 02:17:09,870
well they'll just shield that you know

3028
02:17:14,750 --> 02:17:13,860
they shielded the craft actually no they

3029
02:17:17,720 --> 02:17:14,760
shield them anyway

3030
02:17:19,430 --> 02:17:17,730
because of cosmic rays all right and in

3031
02:17:22,910 --> 02:17:19,440
one episode of NASA's unexplained I

3032
02:17:26,510 --> 02:17:22,920
actually had to mine what on earth I had

3033
02:17:28,070 --> 02:17:26,520
to actually discuss the fact that

3034
02:17:30,110 --> 02:17:28,080
astronauts on the way to the moon were

3035
02:17:32,630 --> 02:17:30,120
seeing flashes of light in the retinas

3036
02:17:35,660 --> 02:17:32,640
and no one knew what that was at the

3037
02:17:39,260 --> 02:17:35,670
time well it turns out they were cosmic

3038
02:17:41,419 --> 02:17:39,270
rays hitting their retinas now cosmic

3039
02:17:43,490 --> 02:17:41,429
rays come from all over the universe and

3040
02:17:45,709 --> 02:17:43,500
they strike us on the retinas okay right

3041
02:17:47,930 --> 02:17:45,719
but on the earth were somewhat protected

3042
02:17:51,080 --> 02:17:47,940
out there in space were kind of just

3043
02:17:53,090 --> 02:17:51,090
naked and afraid and bam we can get

3044
02:17:54,740 --> 02:17:53,100
nailed with cosmic rays so that's what

3045
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:54,750
they were seeing and actually had an

3046
02:17:58,430 --> 02:17:56,490
experiment when they put a black hood

3047
02:18:00,950 --> 02:17:58,440
over their heads and it was a special

3048
02:18:02,840 --> 02:18:00,960
chamber and they were made to count all

3049
02:18:04,850 --> 02:18:02,850
the cosmic rays because nobody knew what

3050
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:04,860
that wasn't the time I remember it yeah

3051
02:18:09,350 --> 02:18:07,130
remember that yeah it was very cool so

3052
02:18:12,560 --> 02:18:09,360
we got to the Van Allen belts with no

3053
02:18:13,820 --> 02:18:12,570
problem how because of the way that Van

3054
02:18:15,650 --> 02:18:13,830
Allen belts are structured and because

3055
02:18:18,140 --> 02:18:15,660
of how they're made the Van Allen belts

3056
02:18:21,830 --> 02:18:18,150
are made from our magnetosphere our

3057
02:18:23,450 --> 02:18:21,840
magnetic field so that means that these

3058
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:23,460
charged particles from the Sun that are

3059
02:18:27,410 --> 02:18:24,960
streaming towards all the time including

3060
02:18:27,919 --> 02:18:27,420
some very highly energetic particles get

3061
02:18:30,950 --> 02:18:27,929
trapped

3062
02:18:32,840 --> 02:18:30,960
sometimes by that magnetic field those

3063
02:18:33,660 --> 02:18:32,850
become the Van Allen radiation belts and

3064
02:18:45,179 --> 02:18:33,670
the

3065
02:18:47,339 --> 02:18:45,189
Pole is those bells dive right in and

3066
02:18:50,580 --> 02:18:47,349
they go down toward the North Pole and

3067
02:18:52,769 --> 02:18:50,590
go up toward the South Pole and thus

3068
02:18:55,139 --> 02:18:52,779
when they want to leave the Earth orbit

3069
02:18:57,649 --> 02:18:55,149
what do they do they just set up their

3070
02:19:01,889 --> 02:18:57,659
trajectory so that they exit earth

3071
02:19:04,320 --> 02:19:01,899
environs via the poles wiring but why

3072
02:19:06,570 --> 02:19:04,330
those first four minutes not hours yeah

3073
02:19:10,379 --> 02:19:06,580
yeah yeah I understand that but why

3074
02:19:13,049 --> 02:19:10,389
would NASA say today and they have that

3075
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:13,059
when we figure out how to get through

3076
02:19:17,729 --> 02:19:14,800
the radiation of the Van Allen belt

3077
02:19:22,110 --> 02:19:17,739
we'll go back to the moon or we'll go to

3078
02:19:24,660 --> 02:19:22,120
Mars it seems a little bit of a paradox

3079
02:19:28,200 --> 02:19:24,670
or a little bit hypocritical because

3080
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:28,210
we've already done that right well I

3081
02:19:33,059 --> 02:19:30,489
don't I don't care why I would say that

3082
02:19:35,160 --> 02:19:33,069
today I totally agree with that that's

3083
02:19:37,939 --> 02:19:35,170
that that statement is probably a

3084
02:19:41,160 --> 02:19:37,949
misunderstood not by you but a miss miss

3085
02:19:43,889 --> 02:19:41,170
stated Restatement of something that

3086
02:19:45,419 --> 02:19:43,899
NASA said okay because whenever you hear

3087
02:19:47,160 --> 02:19:45,429
something and you you got to hear the

3088
02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:47,170
guy say it you got to hear what he says

3089
02:19:51,599 --> 02:19:49,449
in his words I don't think I've seen the

3090
02:19:53,070 --> 02:19:51,609
press conference I've seen it come out

3091
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:53,080
of his mouth and it's just like dude

3092
02:19:58,110 --> 02:19:55,600
what are you saying well then I'll see

3093
02:19:58,769 --> 02:19:58,120
that and then I'll tell you about it

3094
02:20:00,740 --> 02:19:58,779
later

3095
02:20:02,910 --> 02:20:00,750
fair enough fair enough fair enough no

3096
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:02,920
like I said I'll tell you what I don't

3097
02:20:06,510 --> 02:20:04,090
know I have no problem with that because

3098
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:06,520
you know intelligence and intellect is

3099
02:20:10,380 --> 02:20:09,130
my friend it's not my enemy and the only

3100
02:20:12,380 --> 02:20:10,390
way we're going to leave the planet is

3101
02:20:15,420 --> 02:20:12,390
by the rigorous application of science

3102
02:20:17,939 --> 02:20:15,430
not by not by people for instance that

3103
02:20:19,889 --> 02:20:17,949
are going to be you know you know trying

3104
02:20:21,149 --> 02:20:19,899
to do other things other than embrace

3105
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:21,159
science because science is the only

3106
02:20:25,019 --> 02:20:23,439
things gonna rescue us you know because

3107
02:20:27,870 --> 02:20:25,029
the sun's gonna die someday and if I see

3108
02:20:30,689 --> 02:20:27,880
but that's down the line oh yeah well

3109
02:20:31,889 --> 02:20:30,699
when Bill Clinton I referenced this all

3110
02:20:34,740 --> 02:20:31,899
the time when it was on Jimmy Kimmel

3111
02:20:37,769 --> 02:20:34,750
just a few years ago you know yeah we're

3112
02:20:39,719 --> 02:20:37,779
in his famous quote for me that blows my

3113
02:20:41,330 --> 02:20:39,729
mind he said a lot of interesting things

3114
02:20:44,929 --> 02:20:41,340
but the most interesting thing for me

3115
02:20:47,551 --> 02:20:44,939
was he said you know we've discovered 25

3116
02:20:50,570 --> 02:20:47,561
exoplanets so there has to

3117
02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:50,580
life out there right at 25 here we are

3118
02:20:56,341 --> 02:20:53,650
three four years later now the number is

3119
02:21:00,810 --> 02:20:56,351
over 3,000 and we're adding to that

3120
02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:00,820
every single day we've found a lot of

3121
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:02,650
very interesting planets out there and

3122
02:21:09,060 --> 02:21:05,200
the number is extraordinary the software

3123
02:21:11,640 --> 02:21:09,070
is now to the point that it said the

3124
02:21:15,421 --> 02:21:11,650
discoveries are easy and they're rapid

3125
02:21:19,020 --> 02:21:15,431
today do you think that we are being

3126
02:21:21,690 --> 02:21:19,030
visited right now um I'm going to tell

3127
02:21:24,900 --> 02:21:21,700
you right up front I I think that it I

3128
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:24,910
think yes and I'll tell you why when I

3129
02:21:29,251 --> 02:21:26,530
started looking at exoplanets I figured

3130
02:21:30,631 --> 02:21:29,261
okay all right Kepler the Kepler space

3131
02:21:34,261 --> 02:21:30,641
telescope is turning up quite a number

3132
02:21:36,541 --> 02:21:34,271
of planets now we have to find planets

3133
02:21:39,301 --> 02:21:36,551
that are habitable why because we're a

3134
02:21:41,371 --> 02:21:39,311
species that needs to be in a not so hot

3135
02:21:43,381 --> 02:21:41,381
not so cold area that's all the

3136
02:21:45,570 --> 02:21:43,391
habitable zone around the star for us

3137
02:21:48,081 --> 02:21:45,580
it's one au astronomical unit 93 million

3138
02:21:50,791 --> 02:21:48,091
miles from the Sun okay no big deal but

3139
02:21:54,060 --> 02:21:50,801
when we look for other planets it's only

3140
02:21:55,140 --> 02:21:54,070
natural to look for planets like ours so

3141
02:21:58,581 --> 02:21:55,150
we're going to look for other planets

3142
02:22:00,690 --> 02:21:58,591
around habitable zones like ours so that

3143
02:22:02,070 --> 02:22:00,700
we could live there maybe we could live

3144
02:22:04,381 --> 02:22:02,080
there or maybe that's something we could

3145
02:22:05,940 --> 02:22:04,391
you know survive on and it's only

3146
02:22:06,541 --> 02:22:05,950
natural and another species is going to

3147
02:22:09,180 --> 02:22:06,551
do the same

3148
02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:09,190
now if another species is doing the same

3149
02:22:15,301 --> 02:22:12,490
thing then they will have found us and

3150
02:22:18,661 --> 02:22:15,311
you got to keep in mind earth is 4.5

3151
02:22:20,791 --> 02:22:18,671
billion years old the universe is 13.8

3152
02:22:23,461 --> 02:22:20,801
billion years old what does that tell

3153
02:22:24,781 --> 02:22:23,471
you that tell you that an awful lot of

3154
02:22:27,390 --> 02:22:24,791
the universe happened before we even

3155
02:22:28,621 --> 02:22:27,400
ever showed up that's right right so

3156
02:22:30,751 --> 02:22:28,631
there could have been a civilization

3157
02:22:33,591 --> 02:22:30,761
that came and went we could be a remnant

3158
02:22:35,310 --> 02:22:33,601
of an ancient civilization probably no

3159
02:22:38,820 --> 02:22:35,320
there's a whole lot of unanswered

3160
02:22:40,261 --> 02:22:38,830
questions about where we came from yes I

3161
02:22:43,890 --> 02:22:40,271
understand the fossil record I certainly

3162
02:22:44,970 --> 02:22:43,900
do with with you know just a inaugurated

3163
02:22:47,701 --> 02:22:44,980
detail

3164
02:22:49,831 --> 02:22:47,711
I understand evolution I understand the

3165
02:22:51,211 --> 02:22:49,841
the branches of evolution that have

3166
02:22:52,890 --> 02:22:51,221
occurred I understand evolutionary dead

3167
02:22:54,211 --> 02:22:52,900
ends I understand genetic material and

3168
02:22:57,930 --> 02:22:54,221
propagation blah blah blah blah

3169
02:23:01,680 --> 02:22:57,940
I understand all that the trouble is we

3170
02:23:03,390 --> 02:23:01,690
still have unanswered questions about

3171
02:23:07,080 --> 02:23:03,400
who we are where we are where we came

3172
02:23:10,530 --> 02:23:07,090
from where we seated we're rowing yeah

3173
02:23:12,990 --> 02:23:10,540
where we're going exactly yeah there's a

3174
02:23:14,940 --> 02:23:13,000
lot of planets out there and right now

3175
02:23:16,801 --> 02:23:14,950
Kepler was only looking at an area in

3176
02:23:18,540 --> 02:23:16,811
the sky that's the size of your fist out

3177
02:23:20,070 --> 02:23:18,550
stress at the end of your hand stretch

3178
02:23:21,470 --> 02:23:20,080
your your arm out they were looking into

3179
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:21,480
constellation Cygnus which by the way

3180
02:23:27,990 --> 02:23:26,530
when it's night Cygnus is by wrong

3181
02:23:30,690 --> 02:23:28,000
midnight or so maybe 1:00 in the morning

3182
02:23:31,770 --> 02:23:30,700
Cygnus is directly overhead okay and

3183
02:23:35,100 --> 02:23:31,780
that's where that was where it was

3184
02:23:39,900 --> 02:23:35,110
looking and it found to date around

3185
02:23:43,350 --> 02:23:39,910
3,800 or so o candidates total and 3300

3186
02:23:44,790 --> 02:23:43,360
planets and a percentage of those a

3187
02:23:46,920 --> 02:23:44,800
small percentage is in the habitable

3188
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:46,930
zone so you're saying well then that's

3189
02:23:51,450 --> 02:23:48,010
not a whole lot of planets out there

3190
02:23:53,761 --> 02:23:51,460
like us is it well actually it's a

3191
02:23:56,610 --> 02:23:53,771
massive number of planet like I have

3192
02:24:01,470 --> 02:23:56,620
some mass infinite amount it's so big

3193
02:24:03,780 --> 02:24:01,480
yeah it's a load of plastic okay I

3194
02:24:06,540 --> 02:24:03,790
self-centered it's a bit because of the

3195
02:24:09,060 --> 02:24:06,550
fact that we have perhaps 100 billion

3196
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:09,070
stars in our galaxy and possibly 400

3197
02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:10,960
billion I mean it's anything in between

3198
02:24:14,131 --> 02:24:12,970
we don't even have an accurate count we

3199
02:24:16,140 --> 02:24:14,141
don't have the ability even count our

3200
02:24:17,761 --> 02:24:16,150
own stars yet all right we can count

3201
02:24:19,620 --> 02:24:17,771
other galaxies stars with no problem

3202
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:19,630
because we're outside looking in right

3203
02:24:24,450 --> 02:24:21,010
but we're inside looking through and

3204
02:24:27,470 --> 02:24:24,460
that's that's harder so you know it so

3205
02:24:29,700 --> 02:24:27,480
let's say it 100 billion it looks like

3206
02:24:31,560 --> 02:24:29,710
remember that nighttime sky you looked

3207
02:24:33,051 --> 02:24:31,570
at you see the stars everywhere that

3208
02:24:38,011 --> 02:24:33,061
Milky Way is just brilliant

3209
02:24:40,530 --> 02:24:38,021
well the Milky Way's All Stars and we

3210
02:24:44,430 --> 02:24:40,540
now know that there are more planets

3211
02:24:46,591 --> 02:24:44,440
than stars in the universe okay that

3212
02:24:49,140 --> 02:24:46,601
tells us something that tells us that

3213
02:24:51,810 --> 02:24:49,150
there's more planets and stars that hey

3214
02:24:55,110 --> 02:24:51,820
look out I mean we have planets almost

3215
02:24:57,780 --> 02:24:55,120
everywhere we look and in in the Kepler

3216
02:24:59,610 --> 02:24:57,790
data if we just go over the data if we

3217
02:25:02,850 --> 02:24:59,620
extrapolate that data outward it tells

3218
02:25:04,650 --> 02:25:02,860
us that perhaps up to ten percent of the

3219
02:25:08,460 --> 02:25:04,660
stars in the galaxies have earth-like

3220
02:25:10,290 --> 02:25:08,470
planets in it let that sink in yeah that

3221
02:25:13,220 --> 02:25:10,300
means right that means that this

3222
02:25:15,270 --> 02:25:13,230
possibly 10 billion up to 40 billion

3223
02:25:17,730 --> 02:25:15,280
earth-like planets

3224
02:25:20,671 --> 02:25:17,740
here just here and by the and by the way

3225
02:25:23,820 --> 02:25:20,681
there's many billions of galaxies so you

3226
02:25:24,961 --> 02:25:23,830
know so the question of whether someone

3227
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:24,971
might have been able to develop

3228
02:25:30,841 --> 02:25:28,960
interstellar technology to me is kind of

3229
02:25:33,511 --> 02:25:30,851
a moot point because we've only been

3230
02:25:36,570 --> 02:25:33,521
here for 50,000 history keeping years

3231
02:25:38,730 --> 02:25:36,580
okay 4.4 million if you want to count

3232
02:25:40,890 --> 02:25:38,740
Lucy yes you know Phillip ithacus

3233
02:25:44,910 --> 02:25:40,900
Africanness when you first started

3234
02:25:48,480 --> 02:25:44,920
walking as a bipedal creatures um and in

3235
02:25:50,970 --> 02:25:48,490
that time we already can see a future

3236
02:25:53,690 --> 02:25:50,980
where we can go interstellar enter

3237
02:25:56,251 --> 02:25:53,700
Miguel Alcubierre II a good year and

3238
02:25:58,921 --> 02:25:56,261
1994 when he came up with that warp

3239
02:26:01,110 --> 02:25:58,931
drive concept that's right which Ricky

3240
02:26:04,440 --> 02:26:01,120
named in deference to Gene Roddenberry

3241
02:26:07,080 --> 02:26:04,450
and that warp drive concept was

3242
02:26:09,470 --> 02:26:07,090
laughingly impossible because it

3243
02:26:12,180 --> 02:26:09,480
required to create the warp bubble a

3244
02:26:14,430 --> 02:26:12,190
planet the size of Jupiter converted all

3245
02:26:15,301 --> 02:26:14,440
to energy in order to get the energy to

3246
02:26:16,740 --> 02:26:15,311
make the warp bubble

3247
02:26:18,720 --> 02:26:16,750
well that was dependence and

3248
02:26:20,910 --> 02:26:18,730
unbelievably impossible so it became

3249
02:26:23,490 --> 02:26:20,920
what's called a thought problem and then

3250
02:26:25,860 --> 02:26:23,500
a few years ago that warped ring on that

3251
02:26:29,131 --> 02:26:25,870
ship that he designed was reworked

3252
02:26:31,470 --> 02:26:29,141
by another team and they discovered whoa

3253
02:26:35,310 --> 02:26:31,480
you don't need nearly that amount you

3254
02:26:37,350 --> 02:26:35,320
can actually do the same thing with an

3255
02:26:39,450 --> 02:26:37,360
equivalent energy that would correspond

3256
02:26:43,110 --> 02:26:39,460
to the mass of say the Voyager

3257
02:26:45,660 --> 02:26:43,120
spacecraft well NASA won and they heard

3258
02:26:48,570 --> 02:26:45,670
that today does that mean it's possible

3259
02:26:50,940 --> 02:26:48,580
and of course you know the NASA

3260
02:26:53,280 --> 02:26:50,950
scientist who thinks it is and he's

3261
02:26:55,980 --> 02:26:53,290
funded to look at the possibility of

3262
02:26:57,540 --> 02:26:55,990
having an out prove your drive at some

3263
02:27:00,060 --> 02:26:57,550
point in the future now we may be a

3264
02:27:01,801 --> 02:27:00,070
hundred years away now before the first

3265
02:27:03,150 --> 02:27:01,811
probe the Proxima Centauri and that is

3266
02:27:04,381 --> 02:27:03,160
what we're going to go of course that's

3267
02:27:07,171 --> 02:27:04,391
why we can no doubt

3268
02:27:09,301 --> 02:27:07,181
well we're stopping the closest that's

3269
02:27:12,211 --> 02:27:09,311
the first reason bang but the second

3270
02:27:15,330 --> 02:27:12,221
reason is it actually not only is it the

3271
02:27:19,131 --> 02:27:15,340
closest star but it is the closest

3272
02:27:21,450 --> 02:27:19,141
planet to us and it is nearly perfect

3273
02:27:22,620 --> 02:27:21,460
but this is what's funny about that

3274
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:22,630
we're going to take a break I'm going to

3275
02:27:26,639 --> 02:27:24,610
keep you for overtime this year what's

3276
02:27:29,639 --> 02:27:26,649
funny about that mark

3277
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:29,649
the closest star to us the closest

3278
02:27:35,819 --> 02:27:32,409
exoplanet to us is the last one we found

3279
02:27:38,189 --> 02:27:35,829
somebody help me here it doesn't even

3280
02:27:39,449 --> 02:27:38,199
make any sense let's take a break can I

3281
02:27:41,399 --> 02:27:39,459
get speak to that when you come back

3282
02:27:43,739 --> 02:27:41,409
can we take can I keep you for another

3283
02:27:46,379 --> 02:27:43,749
10 minutes sure that's what I'm talking

3284
02:27:49,919 --> 02:27:46,389
about Mark Dantonio is our guest tonight

3285
02:27:51,239 --> 02:27:49,929
take a quick break I just have to say

3286
02:27:53,879 --> 02:27:51,249
this is one of the best conversations

3287
02:27:57,149 --> 02:27:53,889
I've had in a long time but the point to

3288
02:27:58,349 --> 02:27:57,159
that is say that every night right we

3289
02:27:59,969 --> 02:27:58,359
just get better and better

3290
02:28:02,039 --> 02:27:59,979
this is fade to black our meals can be

3291
02:28:03,300 --> 02:28:02,049
cured stay with us more with Mark right

3292
02:28:04,770 --> 02:28:03,310
after this short break we'll be right

3293
02:28:23,611 --> 02:28:04,780
back

3294
02:28:29,261 --> 02:28:26,741
hey what up Joshua vivica bonds here and

3295
02:28:34,091 --> 02:28:29,271
you are listening to my boy Jimmy Church

3296
02:28:37,361 --> 02:28:34,101
on Jimmy George radio calm totally this

3297
02:28:44,921 --> 02:28:37,371
my ovular pendant reading a book will

3298
02:28:46,600 --> 02:28:44,931
not make you smarter so you went to

3299
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dinner last night you had your favorite

3300
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3301
02:28:54,191 --> 02:28:50,721
or maybe you had a heavy spicy meal in

3302
02:28:56,531 --> 02:28:54,201
the left tube is getit accom maybe you

3303
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mowed down a huge steak and your

3304
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plumbing is all plug get the t.com our

3305
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3306
02:29:08,680 --> 02:29:05,181
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3307
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3309
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3310
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3311
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3317
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3318
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3319
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3320
02:29:46,961 --> 02:29:42,411
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3321
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3322
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3323
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3324
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3325
02:30:01,121 --> 02:29:57,561
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3326
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3327
02:30:07,661 --> 02:30:04,341
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3328
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3329
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3330
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3331
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:16,371
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3332
02:30:20,770 --> 02:30:17,120
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3333
02:30:23,560 --> 02:30:20,780
bodied dark Java I need my coffee doc

3334
02:30:26,950 --> 02:30:23,570
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3335
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:26,960
highlights just like the bunker leaning

3336
02:30:32,051 --> 02:30:29,210
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3337
02:30:34,750 --> 02:30:32,061
is fade to black blend from River moon

3338
02:30:36,850 --> 02:30:34,760
coffee just click on the banner at Jimmy

3339
02:30:40,180 --> 02:30:36,860
Church radio.com and use the promo code

3340
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3341
02:30:48,720 --> 02:30:41,330
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3342
02:30:51,640 --> 02:30:48,730
Gobekli Tepe what's up fade or not

3343
02:30:54,670 --> 02:30:51,650
studio dumb love's fade the black and

3344
02:30:56,591 --> 02:30:54,680
f2b audience of so much that they have

3345
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3346
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3347
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for you man check it out the studio dome

3348
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SBB two stereo system is here it's

3349
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3350
02:31:13,030 --> 02:31:10,430
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3351
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3352
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custom arch okay

3353
02:31:18,551 --> 02:31:16,521
this studio dome system features the

3354
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3355
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3356
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3357
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to hear this it's amazing it's just a

3358
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3359
02:31:34,511 --> 02:31:30,380
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3360
02:31:37,180 --> 02:31:34,521
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3361
02:31:39,730 --> 02:31:37,190
shipping it's simple just go to Jimmy

3362
02:31:43,300 --> 02:31:39,740
Church radio.com click on the studio

3363
02:31:51,671 --> 02:31:43,310
dome banner gobekli tepe

3364
02:32:04,001 --> 02:31:55,820
it's not alive now meteos we were born

3365
02:32:04,011 --> 02:32:10,970
this is his HDR to research radio ChaCha

3366
02:32:10,980 --> 02:32:22,080
[Music]

3367
02:32:27,100 --> 02:32:24,761
all right welcome back they do black

3368
02:32:31,870 --> 02:32:27,110
doing little overtime tonight with Mark

3369
02:32:36,190 --> 02:32:31,880
Dantonio talking about exoplanets and

3370
02:32:39,011 --> 02:32:36,200
technology and et and mark this is what

3371
02:32:42,310 --> 02:32:39,021
blows my mind and I'm in total agreement

3372
02:32:44,530 --> 02:32:42,320
with you we need to wrap our minds

3373
02:32:46,570 --> 02:32:44,540
around a couple of facts and the facts

3374
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:46,580
are the age of the universe fourteen

3375
02:32:50,710 --> 02:32:48,650
billion years here we are at

3376
02:32:53,530 --> 02:32:50,720
four-and-a-half billion years on planet

3377
02:32:56,440 --> 02:32:53,540
Earth our technology in the last hundred

3378
02:32:59,890 --> 02:32:56,450
years out of four-and-a-half billion

3379
02:33:04,000 --> 02:32:59,900
years is right it's it's like it's that

3380
02:33:06,370 --> 02:33:04,010
fast and the last 20 years we have the

3381
02:33:08,860 --> 02:33:06,380
technology now to answer a lot of

3382
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:08,870
questions we are advancing quickly but

3383
02:33:15,310 --> 02:33:11,930
now I can't snap my fingers fast enough

3384
02:33:18,190 --> 02:33:15,320
to represent what what amount of time

3385
02:33:21,430 --> 02:33:18,200
that is now if somebody out there of

3386
02:33:24,490 --> 02:33:21,440
which there are probably a billion or

3387
02:33:27,420 --> 02:33:24,500
more civilizations out there that are a

3388
02:33:30,940 --> 02:33:27,430
billion years ahead of us

3389
02:33:33,820 --> 02:33:30,950
right a billion years that they may want

3390
02:33:37,330 --> 02:33:33,830
to think about it you can't wrap your

3391
02:33:40,841 --> 02:33:37,340
mind around that you cannot so if we are

3392
02:33:43,631 --> 02:33:40,851
you know dropping off Rovers on Mars and

3393
02:33:46,030 --> 02:33:43,641
and in the moon and we you know pioneer

3394
02:33:48,250 --> 02:33:46,040
11 and stuff that you know finally left

3395
02:33:51,220 --> 02:33:48,260
the solar system if that's what we are

3396
02:33:55,450 --> 02:33:51,230
doing with our little primitive ape-like

3397
02:33:57,580 --> 02:33:55,460
minds today then somebody out there and

3398
02:34:00,610 --> 02:33:57,590
not only knows that we are here but

3399
02:34:04,511 --> 02:34:00,620
they've known about earth for a very

3400
02:34:07,900 --> 02:34:04,521
very long time it is that's the only

3401
02:34:10,870 --> 02:34:07,910
answer and that was that was sort of my

3402
02:34:13,450 --> 02:34:10,880
point before in fact I think and that is

3403
02:34:15,490 --> 02:34:13,460
that if we're looking for other places

3404
02:34:17,710 --> 02:34:15,500
like our own other worlds like our own

3405
02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:17,720
then certainly another civilization is

3406
02:34:22,660 --> 02:34:21,050
doing the same thing and you might say

3407
02:34:25,631 --> 02:34:22,670
well there's no guarantee they may look

3408
02:34:29,020 --> 02:34:25,641
like us or anything except for the fact

3409
02:34:32,350 --> 02:34:29,030
that I think that they may and there's a

3410
02:34:33,900 --> 02:34:32,360
reason if we take a look at all the the

3411
02:34:36,841 --> 02:34:33,910
building blocks of life

3412
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:36,851
that earth made itself okay the earth

3413
02:34:41,370 --> 02:34:39,610
makes its own amino acids we improving

3414
02:34:45,450 --> 02:34:41,380
by the miller-urey experiment in the 50

3415
02:34:48,390 --> 02:34:45,460
and the comets will deliver water and

3416
02:34:52,770 --> 02:34:48,400
amino acids meteors delivered water and

3417
02:34:54,450 --> 02:34:52,780
immediately no acids mostly to us the

3418
02:34:56,430 --> 02:34:54,460
amino acids the building blocks of life

3419
02:34:59,881 --> 02:34:56,440
were transported here and we make them

3420
02:35:03,240 --> 02:34:59,891
and if you look at every single life

3421
02:35:06,660 --> 02:35:03,250
form on the planet every advanced life

3422
02:35:09,330 --> 02:35:06,670
form that is multicellular life form has

3423
02:35:13,230 --> 02:35:09,340
some form of symmetry doesn't it this is

3424
02:35:15,180 --> 02:35:13,240
same 20 amino acids in everything Miami

3425
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:15,190
lobsters DNA we know but you're correct

3426
02:35:20,910 --> 02:35:18,010
okay this is naturally and it's right

3427
02:35:23,810 --> 02:35:20,920
and but think now life forms all have

3428
02:35:26,460 --> 02:35:23,820
the symmetry to them now this symmetry

3429
02:35:28,530 --> 02:35:26,470
looks to me like we didn't have anything

3430
02:35:30,030 --> 02:35:28,540
to do with salamanders why are they

3431
02:35:32,841 --> 02:35:30,040
symmetric they have two eyes have two

3432
02:35:35,370 --> 02:35:32,851
front legs two back legs of tail okay

3433
02:35:38,490 --> 02:35:35,380
but their symmetry there why is that

3434
02:35:40,381 --> 02:35:38,500
why do creatures have this setup why do

3435
02:35:42,570 --> 02:35:40,391
they get designed this way and why is it

3436
02:35:45,270 --> 02:35:42,580
replete in the animal kingdom that they

3437
02:35:48,660 --> 02:35:45,280
all have this symmetry like this is it

3438
02:35:52,170 --> 02:35:48,670
possible that it's because that's a

3439
02:35:56,040 --> 02:35:52,180
template provided by the universe again

3440
02:35:59,690 --> 02:35:56,050
gravity gravity no matter what if we

3441
02:36:04,261 --> 02:35:59,700
look at a you know the Goldilocks

3442
02:36:06,390 --> 02:36:04,271
situation out there it water you know it

3443
02:36:10,410 --> 02:36:06,400
doesn't evaporate it doesn't freeze you

3444
02:36:12,990 --> 02:36:10,420
know so you have that that that medium

3445
02:36:14,370 --> 02:36:13,000
for life to be created right so you know

3446
02:36:18,060 --> 02:36:14,380
you need water you need a few other

3447
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:18,070
things but gravity is going to be about

3448
02:36:23,820 --> 02:36:22,090
the same to as well so depending on the

3449
02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:23,830
strength of the gravity that's how tall

3450
02:36:28,440 --> 02:36:26,800
these beings could be right less gravity

3451
02:36:30,390 --> 02:36:28,450
little taller more gravity little

3452
02:36:33,750 --> 02:36:30,400
shorter a little stubbier but you're

3453
02:36:37,350 --> 02:36:33,760
going to have that same symmetry there

3454
02:36:39,810 --> 02:36:37,360
and and stereovision and you know left

3455
02:36:42,330 --> 02:36:39,820
and right and all of that and it that

3456
02:36:44,559 --> 02:36:42,340
just makes sense that if you have the

3457
02:36:46,300 --> 02:36:44,569
same amino acids the same

3458
02:36:49,660 --> 02:36:46,310
you know the same construction of

3459
02:36:51,880 --> 02:36:49,670
chromosomes and and DNA these are the

3460
02:36:54,609 --> 02:36:51,890
things that are just part of the

3461
02:36:56,740 --> 02:36:54,619
universe I totally agree with you so why

3462
02:36:58,960 --> 02:36:56,750
why buy the universe yeah why would they

3463
02:37:00,939 --> 02:36:58,970
look you know different skin color

3464
02:37:04,210 --> 02:37:00,949
possibly we have differences and colors

3465
02:37:06,219 --> 02:37:04,220
here on earth right imagine if imagine

3466
02:37:08,969 --> 02:37:06,229
if we were around the star that's in

3467
02:37:12,429 --> 02:37:08,979
what's called an m-class dwarf I mean a

3468
02:37:15,910 --> 02:37:12,439
star that's red primarily at the end of

3469
02:37:17,679 --> 02:37:15,920
the stellar evolution spectrum there any

3470
02:37:19,569 --> 02:37:17,689
Indian and the diagram that outline

3471
02:37:21,609 --> 02:37:19,579
types of the stars and spectral types of

3472
02:37:23,410 --> 02:37:21,619
the star M star is a very low

3473
02:37:26,260 --> 02:37:23,420
temperature and not as bright as the Sun

3474
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:26,270
maybe you know a hundredth or so as

3475
02:37:32,939 --> 02:37:29,210
bright as the Sun very small in fact

3476
02:37:36,099 --> 02:37:32,949
some some exoplanet systems we've found

3477
02:37:38,200 --> 02:37:36,109
look more like Jupiter systems with the

3478
02:37:38,620 --> 02:37:38,210
the star being a little bit larger than

3479
02:37:41,349 --> 02:37:38,630
Jupiter

3480
02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:41,359
but having planets as close to the star

3481
02:37:46,990 --> 02:37:43,850
as Jupiter's moons are to Jupiter you

3482
02:37:49,450 --> 02:37:47,000
know one such exoplanet system is

3483
02:37:52,359 --> 02:37:49,460
Trappist one you know it's a tiny little

3484
02:37:54,910 --> 02:37:52,369
m-class star and it has planets that

3485
02:37:57,429 --> 02:37:54,920
you'll go around the star in no more

3486
02:37:59,080 --> 02:37:57,439
than 20 days so the year the longest

3487
02:38:01,719 --> 02:37:59,090
year on Trappist one is around the

3488
02:38:04,389 --> 02:38:01,729
outermost planet and it takes 20 days

3489
02:38:07,179 --> 02:38:04,399
ago around the star Mercury takes 88

3490
02:38:09,130 --> 02:38:07,189
days to go around our Sun and all those

3491
02:38:11,649 --> 02:38:09,140
planets all seven planets on Travis one

3492
02:38:15,010 --> 02:38:11,659
are closer to their star than mercury

3493
02:38:18,069 --> 02:38:15,020
stars so and three of them are in the

3494
02:38:21,630 --> 02:38:18,079
habitable zone for that star alright so

3495
02:38:25,120 --> 02:38:21,640
now we're talking about differences in

3496
02:38:26,500 --> 02:38:25,130
years differences in time what would

3497
02:38:28,599 --> 02:38:26,510
evolution look like an apartment like

3498
02:38:31,510 --> 02:38:28,609
that you know what would creatures look

3499
02:38:33,240 --> 02:38:31,520
like well the red star is dimmer so if

3500
02:38:36,429 --> 02:38:33,250
they developed some type of vision

3501
02:38:40,540 --> 02:38:36,439
wouldn't they have eyes that were more

3502
02:38:42,849 --> 02:38:40,550
sensitive to say the red light and not

3503
02:38:45,099 --> 02:38:42,859
even know what green light is not even

3504
02:38:47,349 --> 02:38:45,109
know what white light is you know they

3505
02:38:49,569 --> 02:38:47,359
may not even be able to see blue light

3506
02:38:51,700 --> 02:38:49,579
you know because the star never gives it

3507
02:38:53,920 --> 02:38:51,710
off right you know and they evolved that

3508
02:38:56,349 --> 02:38:53,930
way so their eyes might look differently

3509
02:38:57,610 --> 02:38:56,359
maybe their eyes might be I don't know

3510
02:39:00,900 --> 02:38:57,620
black

3511
02:39:05,591 --> 02:39:00,910
you know because the more like receptors

3512
02:39:07,841 --> 02:39:05,601
as opposed to actual eyes you know so

3513
02:39:11,740 --> 02:39:07,851
who knows what the creature will

3514
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:11,750
actually be designed like but the actual

3515
02:39:18,700 --> 02:39:16,010
gross course analysis of what they might

3516
02:39:21,730 --> 02:39:18,710
look like to me I think that they're

3517
02:39:23,950 --> 02:39:21,740
going to probably have be made of the

3518
02:39:25,841 --> 02:39:23,960
things in the universe that are copious

3519
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:25,851
and abundant and that's amino acids

3520
02:39:30,011 --> 02:39:28,010
they're going to have that as a basis

3521
02:39:32,320 --> 02:39:30,021
for their life I think that's true and

3522
02:39:34,591 --> 02:39:32,330
even carbon-based life forms I mean we

3523
02:39:38,410 --> 02:39:34,601
look everywhere we look we see

3524
02:39:41,020 --> 02:39:38,420
carbon-based Capital compounds being

3525
02:39:43,270 --> 02:39:41,030
generated you know the South Pole of

3526
02:39:46,261 --> 02:39:43,280
Saturn's moon Enceladus you know Europa

3527
02:39:48,551 --> 02:39:46,271
now shows geysers that have you know

3528
02:39:51,761 --> 02:39:48,561
chemistry in it that is conducive to

3529
02:39:55,780 --> 02:39:51,771
creating life you know and if that's the

3530
02:39:58,030 --> 02:39:55,790
case you know it's everywhere well let

3531
02:40:00,780 --> 02:39:58,040
me write let me ask you this you know

3532
02:40:05,230 --> 02:40:00,790
you have a close association with NASA

3533
02:40:07,900 --> 02:40:05,240
by do they do are they sitting on

3534
02:40:11,290 --> 02:40:07,910
knowledge that that we don't know about

3535
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:11,300
does Washington DC have contact with et

3536
02:40:16,120 --> 02:40:13,610
if they are if they are visiting us you

3537
02:40:19,330 --> 02:40:16,130
know and I don't want to disrupt your

3538
02:40:21,551 --> 02:40:19,340
relationship with NASA but do they know

3539
02:40:25,440 --> 02:40:21,561
something that they are not disclosing

3540
02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:25,450
to us you know I think that NASA

3541
02:40:29,200 --> 02:40:27,530
honestly I don't really have the

3542
02:40:31,600 --> 02:40:29,210
relations with NASA you may think I have

3543
02:40:33,610 --> 02:40:31,610
but my relations are more with the US

3544
02:40:36,430 --> 02:40:33,620
Navy because I did Navy worked for since

3545
02:40:38,710 --> 02:40:36,440
1995 that was a primary my primary

3546
02:40:42,850 --> 02:40:38,720
business started as a Navy contractor

3547
02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:42,860
kind of thing um but in today and I've

3548
02:40:46,841 --> 02:40:45,050
been involved a project that I obviously

3549
02:40:49,330 --> 02:40:46,851
can't talk about but I will play

3550
02:40:51,011 --> 02:40:49,340
something that I saw on a nuclear sub

3551
02:40:53,051 --> 02:40:51,021
one time and and that's something is

3552
02:40:55,660 --> 02:40:53,061
important I think because that is

3553
02:40:58,750 --> 02:40:55,670
something that is known that isn't being

3554
02:41:00,640 --> 02:40:58,760
told to us all right and I don't think

3555
02:41:04,440 --> 02:41:00,650
NASA is doing it I think NASA's I hate

3556
02:41:10,570 --> 02:41:08,980
to-to-to-to shirt-and-tie right wait

3557
02:41:11,330 --> 02:41:10,580
wait wait wait wait slow down

3558
02:41:13,940 --> 02:41:11,340
what do

3559
02:41:17,990 --> 02:41:13,950
you see on the nuclear sub I'm coming

3560
02:41:20,300 --> 02:41:18,000
back to I'm not gonna hear you here in

3561
02:41:21,620 --> 02:41:20,310
the mid-90s I was actually I did a

3562
02:41:22,130 --> 02:41:21,630
project for the Navy and they said yeah

3563
02:41:24,980 --> 02:41:22,140
that was great

3564
02:41:26,210 --> 02:41:24,990
mindful for riding this office yeah so I

3565
02:41:28,429 --> 02:41:26,220
was like wow that's great

3566
02:41:30,889 --> 02:41:28,439
so I went out on a submarine for a

3567
02:41:33,320 --> 02:41:30,899
period of time as a guest you know over

3568
02:41:35,719 --> 02:41:33,330
Navy so I got best quarter's best food I

3569
02:41:37,820 --> 02:41:35,729
mean it was very nice you know Wow at

3570
02:41:39,770 --> 02:41:37,830
the time it was a nice treatment for

3571
02:41:43,790 --> 02:41:39,780
someone that did something for them and

3572
02:41:47,150 --> 02:41:43,800
then as I said it was the most fun I had

3573
02:41:48,950 --> 02:41:47,160
getting horribly seasick you know I

3574
02:41:50,389 --> 02:41:48,960
didn't have sea legs for being on a sub

3575
02:41:52,099 --> 02:41:50,399
because think about it's a sewer-pipe of

3576
02:41:53,810 --> 02:41:52,109
end caps on it right now right right it

3577
02:41:55,310 --> 02:41:53,820
rolls on the servers like something

3578
02:42:00,560 --> 02:41:55,320
fierce like a barrel going over Niagara

3579
02:42:02,389 --> 02:42:00,570
Falls so it's kind of tough so I sat in

3580
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:02,399
a little side area off the control room

3581
02:42:06,650 --> 02:42:04,080
and they told a sonar Shack and I was

3582
02:42:10,400 --> 02:42:06,660
actually wetting my stomach settle and

3583
02:42:11,990 --> 02:42:10,410
as it was settling there's you know I

3584
02:42:13,190 --> 02:42:12,000
heard noises of southern sub is very

3585
02:42:14,870 --> 02:42:13,200
loud inside okay

3586
02:42:16,400 --> 02:42:14,880
there's there's a lot of ambient noise

3587
02:42:18,770 --> 02:42:16,410
all over plays a lot of high-pressure

3588
02:42:20,780 --> 02:42:18,780
air always sounding off you always hear

3589
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:20,790
it on the outside of sub it's quiet is

3590
02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:22,170
ain't you can't hear anything and that's

3591
02:42:25,990 --> 02:42:23,850
of course our technology that's what

3592
02:42:28,460 --> 02:42:26,000
we're good at so I'm sitting there

3593
02:42:31,250 --> 02:42:28,470
zoning out hearing this noise with the

3594
02:42:33,020 --> 02:42:31,260
white noise in my head and there's a kid

3595
02:42:34,760 --> 02:42:33,030
next to me looking at the sonar display

3596
02:42:36,620 --> 02:42:34,770
in front of him and I'm sitting in front

3597
02:42:38,360 --> 02:42:36,630
of a song on display that's not on this

3598
02:42:42,080 --> 02:42:38,370
I didn't think it was turned out it was

3599
02:42:44,389 --> 02:42:42,090
and I'm sitting there zoning out and I'm

3600
02:42:45,710 --> 02:42:44,399
almost kind of on the edge of sleep my

3601
02:42:50,540 --> 02:42:45,720
stomach's starting to feel a little bit

3602
02:42:52,940 --> 02:42:50,550
better all the stuff mmm I hear Conn

3603
02:42:56,450 --> 02:42:52,950
sonar Conn sonar fast mover fast mover

3604
02:42:57,920 --> 02:42:56,460
La Pointe what I thought somebody fired

3605
02:43:00,080 --> 02:42:57,930
torpedo at us am I going to die out here

3606
02:43:02,300 --> 02:43:00,090
because I want to go for a ride oh man

3607
02:43:03,650 --> 02:43:02,310
right I got all adrenaline started

3608
02:43:05,389 --> 02:43:03,660
surging and all of a sudden I was like

3609
02:43:07,580 --> 02:43:05,399
wide awake and so you take this what

3610
02:43:09,020 --> 02:43:07,590
that you know so the executive officer

3611
02:43:11,450 --> 02:43:09,030
comes around he says it's one of our kid

3612
02:43:12,469 --> 02:43:11,460
what do you got what's going on any

3613
02:43:13,429 --> 02:43:12,479
points to something on the screen I

3614
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:13,439
couldn't hear what he was talking about

3615
02:43:18,679 --> 02:43:15,840
but he shows the points of this trail on

3616
02:43:20,389 --> 02:43:18,689
the screen and again being that there's

3617
02:43:22,670 --> 02:43:20,399
enough noise when they're talking soft

3618
02:43:24,740 --> 02:43:22,680
they didn't hear it but when I

3619
02:43:27,170 --> 02:43:24,750
distinctly saw and heard

3620
02:43:28,790 --> 02:43:27,180
the XO asked him Wow what's what's the

3621
02:43:32,059 --> 02:43:28,800
speed on that thing well how fast is it

3622
02:43:33,860 --> 02:43:32,069
going and the kid said to him you hold

3623
02:43:35,450 --> 02:43:33,870
his hands out like like I don't know but

3624
02:43:38,210 --> 02:43:35,460
yeah an answer he was holding hands out

3625
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:38,220
going it's several hundred knots sir

3626
02:43:45,380 --> 02:43:41,850
what that's what he said on your louder

3627
02:43:48,500 --> 02:43:45,390
water several hundred knots under wasn't

3628
02:43:50,809 --> 02:43:48,510
several hundred knots now he could have

3629
02:43:54,740 --> 02:43:50,819
said seven hundred knots say I think

3630
02:43:56,719 --> 02:43:54,750
same thing that one there's no

3631
02:43:58,429 --> 02:43:56,729
difference between three hundred miles

3632
02:44:00,679 --> 02:43:58,439
an hour and seven hundred miles an hour

3633
02:44:03,290 --> 02:44:00,689
under the water but continually I I

3634
02:44:05,030 --> 02:44:03,300
couldn't imagine right all right I of

3635
02:44:07,849 --> 02:44:05,040
course now was like my adrenaline was

3636
02:44:09,229 --> 02:44:07,859
not flowing and I was like what and I'm

3637
02:44:11,030 --> 02:44:09,239
looking at the screen I couldn't tell

3638
02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:11,040
when the waterfall displays looking at

3639
02:44:15,650 --> 02:44:13,370
Eckert itself the speed and all that and

3640
02:44:18,019 --> 02:44:15,660
the executive officer said you got a

3641
02:44:19,460 --> 02:44:18,029
confirmation of that and the kid leaned

3642
02:44:21,530 --> 02:44:19,470
over and said to me excuse me sir and I

3643
02:44:23,059 --> 02:44:21,540
leaned back in the chair and and he

3644
02:44:26,479 --> 02:44:23,069
checked this order that was on is it

3645
02:44:28,969 --> 02:44:26,489
turned out in front of me and once you

3646
02:44:30,769 --> 02:44:28,979
got the screen active then you know they

3647
02:44:33,920 --> 02:44:30,779
saw a little trail start to form

3648
02:44:35,269 --> 02:44:33,930
he said yeah same here sir and so it

3649
02:44:36,979 --> 02:44:35,279
wasn't a machine anomaly because those

3650
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:36,989
are actually two separate and distinct

3651
02:44:44,660 --> 02:44:42,720
sonar zones so well anyway the the kid

3652
02:44:46,130 --> 02:44:44,670
said to him no he'd never seen this

3653
02:44:47,570 --> 02:44:46,140
before obviously and he said to the

3654
02:44:49,639 --> 02:44:47,580
Exile we go what do I do with this

3655
02:44:53,510 --> 02:44:49,649
something like that as I kind of heard

3656
02:44:56,540 --> 02:44:53,520
that and the XO just said them login and

3657
02:45:00,139 --> 02:44:56,550
dog it and and sit and the kid said yes

3658
02:45:02,179 --> 02:45:00,149
sir and the Exile walked away and I said

3659
02:45:03,979 --> 02:45:02,189
oh no no there's no log in it and hiding

3660
02:45:06,200 --> 02:45:03,989
it that's a blogging dog Network right

3661
02:45:07,519 --> 02:45:06,210
and went over the XO and I said you know

3662
02:45:09,559 --> 02:45:07,529
again yeah I remember now

3663
02:45:12,860 --> 02:45:09,569
look I have an invited guest on a

3664
02:45:16,280 --> 02:45:12,870
civilian rocket I'm a civilian I'm cool

3665
02:45:18,469 --> 02:45:16,290
I have access I'm the man I had a

3666
02:45:20,150 --> 02:45:18,479
clearance right so I walked up to the

3667
02:45:22,340 --> 02:45:20,160
guy and I said you know I excel I'm

3668
02:45:25,160 --> 02:45:22,350
doing with these fast movers I think

3669
02:45:27,710 --> 02:45:25,170
anything I can help you with the guy

3670
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:27,720
looked at me cool as a cucumber he said

3671
02:45:31,340 --> 02:45:29,130
mr. Dantonio are you having a good time

3672
02:45:32,870 --> 02:45:31,350
yes sir I am

3673
02:45:35,780 --> 02:45:32,880
let's keep it that way any trench

3674
02:45:37,730 --> 02:45:35,790
walking away I just want a will do which

3675
02:45:41,210 --> 02:45:37,740
is I like to keep all the kind of wild

3676
02:45:44,120 --> 02:45:41,220
the chair yells like wow so a few years

3677
02:45:48,320 --> 02:45:44,130
later I had an opportunity to do a job

3678
02:45:50,540 --> 02:45:48,330
for the Joint Chiefs and I got to talk

3679
02:45:54,230 --> 02:45:50,550
to some folks that are in very very

3680
02:45:57,620 --> 02:45:54,240
heavy positions on the Joint Chiefs and

3681
02:45:58,730 --> 02:45:57,630
I took one aside one time and I asked

3682
02:46:01,550 --> 02:45:58,740
them I said hey what can you tell me

3683
02:46:03,140 --> 02:46:01,560
about the fast mover program and he

3684
02:46:04,990 --> 02:46:03,150
looked at me and he smiled because I

3685
02:46:09,620 --> 02:46:05,000
can't talk about the program I'm sorry

3686
02:46:12,830 --> 02:46:09,630
and I was like I think he probably saw

3687
02:46:14,930 --> 02:46:12,840
my jaw fall to the floor and and what

3688
02:46:18,140 --> 02:46:14,940
that told me was you know what you were

3689
02:46:19,340 --> 02:46:18,150
talking about in jest I needed here no

3690
02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:19,350
more by saying nothing he said

3691
02:46:22,880 --> 02:46:21,210
everything right and that blew me away

3692
02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:22,890
Jimmy that blew me away I could not

3693
02:46:27,920 --> 02:46:25,530
believe it and then it was like wow I

3694
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:27,930
drove home from Washington that day like

3695
02:46:31,160 --> 02:46:29,760
careening all over the road I'm

3696
02:46:35,030 --> 02:46:31,170
surprised I didn't get pulled over

3697
02:46:35,900 --> 02:46:35,040
you know um because I was so like back

3698
02:46:39,410 --> 02:46:35,910
in that moment

3699
02:46:42,740 --> 02:46:39,420
well was I real it was real yeah what do

3700
02:46:44,480 --> 02:46:42,750
you think it was I have a theory you

3701
02:46:47,980 --> 02:46:44,490
know and it's only a theory I don't know

3702
02:46:50,180 --> 02:46:47,990
for sure but that's why in are you

3703
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:50,190
photography version that I want to make

3704
02:46:54,800 --> 02:46:52,560
that is going to sit down and hang under

3705
02:46:58,550 --> 02:46:54,810
the water 20 or 30 feet and if I can't

3706
02:47:00,730 --> 02:46:58,560
look up look down okay so it'll float in

3707
02:47:04,219 --> 02:47:00,740
the currents and look for things I think

3708
02:47:07,219 --> 02:47:04,229
that if an alien civilization was spying

3709
02:47:08,990 --> 02:47:07,229
on us where would they go I don't I play

3710
02:47:11,960 --> 02:47:09,000
yes exactly they might fly over the

3711
02:47:13,730 --> 02:47:11,970
ground they might over the water they

3712
02:47:15,830 --> 02:47:13,740
might play over the land most likely

3713
02:47:17,810 --> 02:47:15,840
they would be underwater because if they

3714
02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:17,820
could travel interstellar they don't

3715
02:47:21,740 --> 02:47:19,770
have problems with mediums like the

3716
02:47:23,480 --> 02:47:21,750
water or the air they can get through it

3717
02:47:26,360 --> 02:47:23,490
what's what's water to them just sticker

3718
02:47:28,160 --> 02:47:26,370
air you know well and they've got water

3719
02:47:29,780 --> 02:47:28,170
on their planet and they're more

3720
02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:29,790
advanced than us and they've figured out

3721
02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:32,160
you know that's a good hiding place one

3722
02:47:37,010 --> 02:47:33,930
and two they figure out how to how to

3723
02:47:39,440 --> 02:47:37,020
get through it quickly exactly exactly

3724
02:47:41,300 --> 02:47:39,450
so maybe they actually have a water

3725
02:47:44,180 --> 02:47:41,310
presence on the planet that's such as

3726
02:47:45,530 --> 02:47:44,190
you say that they actually utilize it to

3727
02:47:47,390 --> 02:47:45,540
its full capacity

3728
02:47:50,060 --> 02:47:47,400
you know maybe they build their own

3729
02:47:51,320 --> 02:47:50,070
water from the know they do atomic

3730
02:47:52,340 --> 02:47:51,330
assembly

3731
02:47:55,820 --> 02:47:52,350
which we're going to do eventually

3732
02:47:58,280 --> 02:47:55,830
actually you know so I think that the

3733
02:48:01,940 --> 02:47:58,290
bottom line is they're probably some

3734
02:48:04,610 --> 02:48:01,950
form of observation taking place in this

3735
02:48:06,051 --> 02:48:04,620
planet and the US government knows about

3736
02:48:08,890 --> 02:48:06,061
it and they're not telling anybody I

3737
02:48:11,980 --> 02:48:08,900
know this from firsthand exposure to it

3738
02:48:16,070 --> 02:48:11,990
unwittingly that was firsthand exposure

3739
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:16,080
you know but basically it was a USO an

3740
02:48:20,030 --> 02:48:18,570
unknown submerged object that is if you

3741
02:48:21,710 --> 02:48:20,040
know it's some distance from the sub I

3742
02:48:25,460 --> 02:48:21,720
didn't get the distance away actually I

3743
02:48:27,440 --> 02:48:25,470
wish I did um can you tell us will you

3744
02:48:30,261 --> 02:48:27,450
do this on the air what was the sub what

3745
02:48:31,370 --> 02:48:30,271
was the year what was the month well I

3746
02:48:32,840 --> 02:48:31,380
can tell you that it was the

3747
02:48:36,200 --> 02:48:32,850
mid-nineteen that's as far as I can go

3748
02:48:38,390 --> 02:48:36,210
unfortunately but you're in I can't

3749
02:48:40,720 --> 02:48:38,400
really there's a lot goin there's a lot

3750
02:48:44,840 --> 02:48:40,730
more to this but now you're such a shell

3751
02:48:47,540 --> 02:48:44,850
I'm not at all yeah I know

3752
02:48:49,790 --> 02:48:47,550
I know right and see this is the thing

3753
02:48:53,511 --> 02:48:49,800
when when something like that is is

3754
02:48:54,801 --> 02:48:53,521
disclosed and you know maybe you give me

3755
02:48:56,750 --> 02:48:54,811
the information off of the air or

3756
02:48:59,930 --> 02:48:56,760
there's a way for me to collect this and

3757
02:49:02,720 --> 02:48:59,940
I go back to the Navy and I try to do a

3758
02:49:04,570 --> 02:49:02,730
Freedom of Information Act request or

3759
02:49:07,700 --> 02:49:04,580
try to get to some of this information

3760
02:49:09,710 --> 02:49:07,710
they make it then you won't get it you

3761
02:49:12,051 --> 02:49:09,720
only hit and you're first-hand witness

3762
02:49:13,430 --> 02:49:12,061
to this you won't get that I just have

3763
02:49:14,480 --> 02:49:13,440
me saying and they're just going to say

3764
02:49:15,890 --> 02:49:14,490
I'm full of crap

3765
02:49:17,511 --> 02:49:15,900
right I know and the reason they're

3766
02:49:19,100 --> 02:49:17,521
going to say that is because I shouldn't

3767
02:49:22,460 --> 02:49:19,110
have said it in the first place probably

3768
02:49:24,980 --> 02:49:22,470
my fact is I have I want them to come

3769
02:49:26,660 --> 02:49:24,990
clean I have you had done it before with

3770
02:49:31,610 --> 02:49:26,670
them you know I got it before I know you

3771
02:49:34,390 --> 02:49:31,620
have what about a chases a chase clusky

3772
02:49:37,480 --> 02:49:34,400
you know her husband who was brilliant

3773
02:49:40,910 --> 02:49:37,490
have you shared this story with him I

3774
02:49:42,530 --> 02:49:40,920
have in a sense I mean I actually pulled

3775
02:49:43,551 --> 02:49:42,540
a story he was present chase called me

3776
02:49:47,660 --> 02:49:43,561
today we actually talked today about

3777
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:47,670
other things and she you know I kind of

3778
02:49:52,070 --> 02:49:50,010
knew Pete sort of at the same time I

3779
02:49:54,830 --> 02:49:52,080
knew her because he was a commander in

3780
02:49:58,670 --> 02:49:54,840
the Navy for many years right and he has

3781
02:50:01,130 --> 02:49:58,680
a model or two of mine okay which he had

3782
02:50:04,430 --> 02:50:01,140
I think when I met chase he already had

3783
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:04,440
those model well anyway so I knew Pete

3784
02:50:08,490 --> 02:50:06,010
classy and

3785
02:50:10,860 --> 02:50:08,500
you know I talked to I talked to her

3786
02:50:12,270 --> 02:50:10,870
about it but I also I mentioned it in

3787
02:50:15,180 --> 02:50:12,280
one of my talks and he was in the room

3788
02:50:16,980 --> 02:50:15,190
and you know I know better than to go up

3789
02:50:19,410 --> 02:50:16,990
to an active submarine commander and

3790
02:50:21,421 --> 02:50:19,420
start asking questions like that okay I

3791
02:50:24,301 --> 02:50:21,431
know that I know the routine I know the

3792
02:50:26,250 --> 02:50:24,311
the respect you know that has to be paid

3793
02:50:28,020 --> 02:50:26,260
to folks like that you know you have to

3794
02:50:28,740 --> 02:50:28,030
he intimidates the crap out of your

3795
02:50:31,640 --> 02:50:28,750
person

3796
02:50:33,270 --> 02:50:31,650
he's it really is a nice guy he's ready

3797
02:50:36,690 --> 02:50:33,280
for the job

3798
02:50:38,761 --> 02:50:36,700
he's a big boy though tall and you know

3799
02:50:41,070 --> 02:50:38,771
you're tall and recalling it's okay yeah

3800
02:50:42,960 --> 02:50:41,080
everybody's older than me I'm five nine

3801
02:50:45,900 --> 02:50:42,970
see my gear looks all right

3802
02:50:51,270 --> 02:50:45,910
all right well but I you know I think

3803
02:50:53,881 --> 02:50:51,280
heat coming from I mean he is a he's a

3804
02:50:56,900 --> 02:50:53,891
patriot and and there's no way that he

3805
02:51:00,950 --> 02:50:56,910
but I think he would enjoy the story I

3806
02:51:03,600 --> 02:51:00,960
would like to know if he has any

3807
02:51:05,850 --> 02:51:03,610
response to it you know what what is

3808
02:51:07,890 --> 02:51:05,860
what is a fast mover have you

3809
02:51:09,960 --> 02:51:07,900
experienced that is there something to

3810
02:51:12,330 --> 02:51:09,970
this and you know I doubt he says

3811
02:51:13,830 --> 02:51:12,340
anything you you can ask him you know

3812
02:51:16,140 --> 02:51:13,840
and that's good thing go ahead

3813
02:51:17,881 --> 02:51:16,150
well we going to lose well isn't that

3814
02:51:19,860 --> 02:51:17,891
the brilliant part of all of this is

3815
02:51:22,470 --> 02:51:19,870
that we do have access to somebody like

3816
02:51:25,410 --> 02:51:22,480
him I've never wanted to abuse it though

3817
02:51:27,150 --> 02:51:25,420
you know that's a thing okay well the

3818
02:51:29,610 --> 02:51:27,160
Navy's been my bread and butter for many

3819
02:51:34,381 --> 02:51:29,620
years so obviously I have to be fairly

3820
02:51:36,360 --> 02:51:34,391
circumspect you know now a couple years

3821
02:51:38,520 --> 02:51:36,370
ago when I had my surgery and all that

3822
02:51:41,341 --> 02:51:38,530
stuff happened a recovery trying to get

3823
02:51:44,490 --> 02:51:41,351
back to just being able to talk again I

3824
02:51:47,730 --> 02:51:44,500
can do that either I had to you know

3825
02:51:50,280 --> 02:51:47,740
something had to give so I had to let my

3826
02:51:53,040 --> 02:51:50,290
clearance lapse it went and I could no

3827
02:51:55,740 --> 02:51:53,050
longer do the defense work which is fine

3828
02:51:58,080 --> 02:51:55,750
because frankly I was sort of getting

3829
02:52:00,180 --> 02:51:58,090
tired having defense people coming in

3830
02:52:01,801 --> 02:52:00,190
the house whenever they kind of want to

3831
02:52:05,190 --> 02:52:01,811
do and walk through my house with

3832
02:52:07,020 --> 02:52:05,200
impunity and look for any bugs or signs

3833
02:52:09,960 --> 02:52:07,030
of any surreptitious devices or whatever

3834
02:52:12,421 --> 02:52:09,970
right you know and then every year you

3835
02:52:14,040 --> 02:52:12,431
have a you read the riot act even leave

3836
02:52:15,870 --> 02:52:14,050
them nothing wrong and they want you to

3837
02:52:17,400 --> 02:52:15,880
make sure you understand the rules and

3838
02:52:18,430 --> 02:52:17,410
regulations make and that's great I'm

3839
02:52:20,470 --> 02:52:18,440
fine with that

3840
02:52:22,930 --> 02:52:20,480
that was okay and it's still okay with

3841
02:52:24,371 --> 02:52:22,940
me but I just don't have the energy to

3842
02:52:26,320 --> 02:52:24,381
actually climb back into that arena

3843
02:52:30,280 --> 02:52:26,330
right now you know I'm okay with where I

3844
02:52:34,270 --> 02:52:30,290
am I'm gonna focus on doing the private

3845
02:52:35,950 --> 02:52:34,280
sector UFO hunting that I'm doing you

3846
02:52:37,631 --> 02:52:35,960
know I have my company my visual effects

3847
02:52:40,421 --> 02:52:37,641
company I'm doing fine with that I'm

3848
02:52:42,251 --> 02:52:40,431
gonna let that keep cruising and I'm

3849
02:52:45,190 --> 02:52:42,261
going to keep trying to solve the

3850
02:52:46,780 --> 02:52:45,200
answers if I can and no one person has

3851
02:52:49,810 --> 02:52:46,790
all the answers and that's the beauty of

3852
02:52:52,240 --> 02:52:49,820
it I know I'm not the one-stop shop I'm

3853
02:52:55,121 --> 02:52:52,250
not the guy that knows it all there is

3854
02:52:57,581 --> 02:52:55,131
none there is no such thing so I have to

3855
02:52:59,291 --> 02:52:57,591
depend on a lot of people and I've got a

3856
02:53:02,860 --> 02:52:59,301
bet a lot of people to make sure that

3857
02:53:06,341 --> 02:53:02,870
you know they have you know pure

3858
02:53:07,810 --> 02:53:06,351
intentions with trying to find the

3859
02:53:10,001 --> 02:53:07,820
answers because some folks want to

3860
02:53:11,470 --> 02:53:10,011
actually you know take our data they've

3861
02:53:13,511 --> 02:53:11,480
already mentioned things like they want

3862
02:53:15,850 --> 02:53:13,521
to take our data and then turn it into a

3863
02:53:17,621 --> 02:53:15,860
TV show it's like wait that that

3864
02:53:19,301 --> 02:53:17,631
immediately compromises the quality of

3865
02:53:22,121 --> 02:53:19,311
the research that's right that's right

3866
02:53:24,070 --> 02:53:22,131
and when I can do that okay it'd be nice

3867
02:53:32,081 --> 02:53:24,080
to take it after the fact

3868
02:53:33,671 --> 02:53:32,091
yes we're not going to allow that s'what

3869
02:53:35,911 --> 02:53:33,681
you do you have to maintain your

3870
02:53:39,220 --> 02:53:35,921
integrity well I can assure you of this

3871
02:53:41,591 --> 02:53:39,230
we have taken care of your security

3872
02:53:44,140 --> 02:53:41,601
clearance for you for the Navy it ain't

3873
02:53:46,690 --> 02:53:44,150
never gonna happen after this show as

3874
02:53:48,610 --> 02:53:46,700
you know what it doesn't matter is I

3875
02:53:50,440 --> 02:53:48,620
haven't violated anything that's okay

3876
02:53:53,171 --> 02:53:50,450
you know and then you know the thing

3877
02:53:56,171 --> 02:53:53,181
that that's funny is you know there's a

3878
02:53:58,240 --> 02:53:56,181
lot of folks I'm sure that like some of

3879
02:53:59,711 --> 02:53:58,250
the folks in the auto industry they may

3880
02:54:02,230 --> 02:53:59,721
cling to them and I think they're doing

3881
02:54:03,461 --> 02:54:02,240
the right thing but when they start

3882
02:54:05,530 --> 02:54:03,471
saying that they're going to reveal

3883
02:54:07,751 --> 02:54:05,540
classified information and classified

3884
02:54:10,390 --> 02:54:07,761
documents you know they're lying right

3885
02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:10,400
off the bat because you can't do that

3886
02:54:13,930 --> 02:54:12,650
you won't do that you know you're not

3887
02:54:15,761 --> 02:54:13,940
going to reveal anything classified

3888
02:54:19,051 --> 02:54:15,771
because if you do you're going to meet

3889
02:54:21,161 --> 02:54:19,061
you're going to be tried and jailed for

3890
02:54:23,140 --> 02:54:21,171
violations of the Espionage Act it's

3891
02:54:24,640 --> 02:54:23,150
that simple and there's no there's no

3892
02:54:27,730 --> 02:54:24,650
black it's black and white there's no

3893
02:54:29,680 --> 02:54:27,740
gray areas here how do I know that

3894
02:54:32,260 --> 02:54:29,690
because I was in that industry for since

3895
02:54:34,569 --> 02:54:32,270
1995 I know that

3896
02:54:37,359 --> 02:54:34,579
you know any revelation even if it's

3897
02:54:38,950 --> 02:54:37,369
unintentional you're in violation of the

3898
02:54:41,769 --> 02:54:38,960
Espionage Act and you'll be prosecuted

3899
02:54:44,679 --> 02:54:41,779
so if someone says to you I'm going to

3900
02:54:46,149 --> 02:54:44,689
be showing you classified documents you

3901
02:54:48,639 --> 02:54:46,159
know that they're either going to get

3902
02:54:50,679 --> 02:54:48,649
arrested or they're no they'll never get

3903
02:54:53,830 --> 02:54:50,689
to do it we're already showing or

3904
02:54:55,269 --> 02:54:53,840
they're bogus or they're bogus and

3905
02:54:57,130 --> 02:54:55,279
that's right and that's the kind of

3906
02:54:59,229 --> 02:54:57,140
thing that we're treated to and you have

3907
02:55:01,450 --> 02:54:59,239
followed you know people you know people

3908
02:55:03,399 --> 02:55:01,460
make these claims maybe to catch

3909
02:55:06,609 --> 02:55:03,409
attention maybe to get funding I don't

3910
02:55:08,800 --> 02:55:06,619
know what it is I just can't back any of

3911
02:55:09,880 --> 02:55:08,810
that stuff because I know it's a lie I

3912
02:55:10,929 --> 02:55:09,890
know those things aren't true I know

3913
02:55:14,260 --> 02:55:10,939
you're not going to reveal classified

3914
02:55:17,170 --> 02:55:14,270
information because if you did you would

3915
02:55:19,029 --> 02:55:17,180
be then it would be on the front page of

3916
02:55:20,590 --> 02:55:19,039
the New York Times very next day you

3917
02:55:23,349 --> 02:55:20,600
were arrested and tried for you're gonna

3918
02:55:25,269 --> 02:55:23,359
be tried for treason and and violations

3919
02:55:28,120 --> 02:55:25,279
of the Espionage Act you know it's that

3920
02:55:30,670 --> 02:55:28,130
simple if there is again no gray area no

3921
02:55:32,260 --> 02:55:30,680
gray area yes that's the thing that that

3922
02:55:34,689 --> 02:55:32,270
bothers me about you apology you know

3923
02:55:37,330 --> 02:55:34,699
they did everyone has an angle you know

3924
02:55:38,469 --> 02:55:37,340
and it's like there's no gimmicks we're

3925
02:55:40,779 --> 02:55:38,479
just trying to get to the bottom of this

3926
02:55:43,179 --> 02:55:40,789
with science man but that's exactly the

3927
02:55:45,670 --> 02:55:43,189
point you know and I don't need I don't

3928
02:55:49,300 --> 02:55:45,680
need any evidence I have seen what I've

3929
02:55:51,490 --> 02:55:49,310
seen in the skies that that's it I you

3930
02:55:53,109 --> 02:55:51,500
know let's let's figure out the next

3931
02:55:55,929 --> 02:55:53,119
step and let's get science involved

3932
02:55:58,059 --> 02:55:55,939
that's really coming in place mark thank

3933
02:56:00,460 --> 02:55:58,069
you so much man for going into overtime

3934
02:56:02,620 --> 02:56:00,470
like this tonight brilliant conversation

3935
02:56:04,750 --> 02:56:02,630
I can't believe it's taken you four or

3936
02:56:07,479 --> 02:56:04,760
five years to get on the show but let's

3937
02:56:08,830 --> 02:56:07,489
do it again here real soon well I think

3938
02:56:10,359 --> 02:56:08,840
you didn't want to talk about the drone

3939
02:56:12,370 --> 02:56:10,369
thing I think you're very happy now this

3940
02:56:14,769 --> 02:56:12,380
is behind you so maybe you'll have me

3941
02:56:19,179 --> 02:56:14,779
out a little more secretly you know I'm

3942
02:56:22,210 --> 02:56:19,189
right and you know what I'll say that I

3943
02:56:24,300 --> 02:56:22,220
agree that you can be right thank you so

3944
02:56:26,529 --> 02:56:24,310
much mark behave out there my friend

3945
02:56:29,740 --> 02:56:26,539
Jimmy thank you spent a pleasure

3946
02:56:32,050 --> 02:56:29,750
absolutely Mark Dantonio everybody now

3947
02:56:35,529 --> 02:56:32,060
his website if you want to go there it's

3948
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:35,539
on Jimmy Church radio com it's FX models

3949
02:56:41,439 --> 02:56:38,210
com go check it out but he's got a new

3950
02:56:44,080 --> 02:56:41,449
website out and also his YouTube channel

3951
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and the sky watching that they do with

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with 14

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a New York sky while all of that stuff

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is all there go check it out brilliant

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brilliant channel spend fade to black

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our guest tonight Mark Dantonio

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I'm your host Timmy Church fade to black

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executive producers Rita Kumari on shows

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j3 Rene Jonas Dennis thank you Bob

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announcers our Steve harder Jean Patou

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JDO tomorrow night right here Rob Potter

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until then everybody be safe Gobekli